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RE: the hammer of homosexuality
October 22, 2015 at 9:28 pm
(October 22, 2015 at 2:08 pm)Divinity Wrote: (October 22, 2015 at 1:54 pm)Drich Wrote: How do you know Jesus didn't write anything?
The proof in the bible can be found the same way as the 'proof' in any other set of instructions. Not in debate or speculation, but in the following of said instructions to the promised end.
If you had a set of instructions on how to build a time machine, is the proof of said time machine found in debate or speculation or is it found in the carful building and actual testing the results of said machine?
The same is true here. The proof of the bible is not found in debate or speculation but in the full fillment of the promises contain with in.
Provide writings of Jesus, and I'll say he wrote something. Pretty simple really. He didn't write the bible, that much is clear.
So basically you won't know for sure if the bible is true or not until you die. Which mean until then it's worth no more than any other book such as the Quran, Dianetics, or the Mormon Bible. That's not a book inspired by god. If god wanted people to live by certain rules he'd have been a lot more fucking clear.
http://youtu.be/nNl-lD10BZw
I know admiral, their always was some secret clause or reason an atheist can never admit when they are wrong even if provide exactly what they ask for.
Here goes anyway,
6 They were saying this to trick Jesus. They wanted to catch him saying something wrong so that they could have a charge against him. But Jesus stooped down and started writing on the ground with his finger. 7 The Jewish leaders continued to ask him their question. So he stood up and said, “Anyone here who has never sinned should throw the first stone at her.” 8 Then Jesus stooped down again and wrote on the ground.
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RE: the hammer of homosexuality
October 22, 2015 at 9:33 pm
"...And Lo, what Jesus wrote on the ground was the Gospel of Jesus Christ, the direct words of God to all mankind, so clear and unquestionable that all who saw it were like, Dude, there totally is a God, and Jesus is that God. And thus were billions of lives saved in wars for millennia to come."
A Christian told me: if you were saved you cant lose your salvation. you're sealed with the Holy Ghost
I replied: Can I refuse? Because I find the entire concept of vicarious blood sacrifice atonement to be morally abhorrent, the concept of holding flawed creatures permanently accountable for social misbehaviors and thought crimes to be morally abhorrent, and the concept of calling something "free" when it comes with the strings of subjugation and obedience perhaps the most morally abhorrent of all... and that's without even going into the history of justifying genocide, slavery, rape, misogyny, religious intolerance, and suppression of free speech which has been attributed by your own scriptures to your deity. I want a refund. I would burn happily rather than serve the monster you profess to love.
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RE: the hammer of homosexuality
October 22, 2015 at 9:34 pm
(October 22, 2015 at 3:30 pm)Divinity Wrote: (October 22, 2015 at 3:24 pm)Kitan Wrote: That is akin to stating that the proof of spider-man's existence can be found in a spider-man comic.
I think you're missing what he's saying.
It's like Ikea Instructions. It doesn't make any fucking sense, but apparently if you connect part C to Part G with Tool F and then rotate in reverse part L, you'll end up with a chair.
The main difference is with Ikea instructions you'll inevitably call someone who already put one together and they'll come over and you'll see the chair. With the bible you won't see the results until after you're dead, and even then you're not really fucking sure about it. Especially since like Ikea instructions they're confusing, stupid, and written by somebody who has no fucking clue how a human being thinks.
If that were true why hasn't the religion died? Even with false religions their is something powering belief something that underscores what is promised from that religion. In this life Christianity makes claims that are generally reserved for next level, next life people in other religions. (Prophets and even Demi gods) That's a pretty tall order to fill for 2000 years if it was only as you say don't you think?
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RE: the hammer of homosexuality
October 22, 2015 at 9:35 pm
"For Behold! Jesus had given the people algebra and the Calculus, and Germ Theory, and the secrets of the printing press, and thus did the scientific revolution begin that would keep billions from suffering."
A Christian told me: if you were saved you cant lose your salvation. you're sealed with the Holy Ghost
I replied: Can I refuse? Because I find the entire concept of vicarious blood sacrifice atonement to be morally abhorrent, the concept of holding flawed creatures permanently accountable for social misbehaviors and thought crimes to be morally abhorrent, and the concept of calling something "free" when it comes with the strings of subjugation and obedience perhaps the most morally abhorrent of all... and that's without even going into the history of justifying genocide, slavery, rape, misogyny, religious intolerance, and suppression of free speech which has been attributed by your own scriptures to your deity. I want a refund. I would burn happily rather than serve the monster you profess to love.
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RE: the hammer of homosexuality
October 22, 2015 at 9:37 pm
(October 22, 2015 at 4:15 pm)dyresand Wrote: (October 22, 2015 at 2:00 pm)Drich Wrote: And if the bible does not say He is all loving and all forgiving?
The bible does not say God is All loving. Matter of fact their is a list of those in whom God flat out hates. The bible also never says God is all forgiving. John 3:16 even says forgivness is conditional "That who so ever BELIEVES Shalll not Perish.." Belief is said condition to God's boundless love.
It's funny how your 'logic' only works on the strawmen you build yourself...
Because HE CREATED HELL YOU NIMROD, HE ALLOWS SUFFERING TO EXIST THERE FOR HE ISN'T ALL lOVING! that is all.
"I think your missing what he is saying."
I am saying God is not all loving. I said their are those in whom God hates. (FYI that is the opposite of what you think I should be saying about God.)
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RE: the hammer of homosexuality
October 22, 2015 at 9:38 pm
(October 22, 2015 at 9:34 pm)Drich Wrote: If that were true why hasn't the religion died? Even with false religions their is something powering belief something that underscores what is promised from that religion. In this life Christianity makes claims that are generally reserved for next level, next life people in other religions. (Prophets and even Demi gods) That's a pretty tall order to fill for 2000 years if it was only as you say don't you think?
You know, you're right- that is totally a reason to accept and follow Hinduism's Sanātana Dharma, "the eternal law" or the "eternal way".
Except it's 3000 years, not two.
A Christian told me: if you were saved you cant lose your salvation. you're sealed with the Holy Ghost
I replied: Can I refuse? Because I find the entire concept of vicarious blood sacrifice atonement to be morally abhorrent, the concept of holding flawed creatures permanently accountable for social misbehaviors and thought crimes to be morally abhorrent, and the concept of calling something "free" when it comes with the strings of subjugation and obedience perhaps the most morally abhorrent of all... and that's without even going into the history of justifying genocide, slavery, rape, misogyny, religious intolerance, and suppression of free speech which has been attributed by your own scriptures to your deity. I want a refund. I would burn happily rather than serve the monster you profess to love.
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RE: the hammer of homosexuality
October 22, 2015 at 9:41 pm
(October 22, 2015 at 4:25 pm)Divinity Wrote: Pretty sure Ikea's instructions are Historically and Scientifically wrong too.
Seriously? What do you need them to draw a pic... Never mind.
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RE: the hammer of homosexuality
October 22, 2015 at 9:47 pm
There, their, and they're.
Please learn when to use each one, Drich.
"I was thirsty for everything, but blood wasn't my style" - Live, "Voodoo Lady"
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RE: the hammer of homosexuality
October 22, 2015 at 10:01 pm
(October 22, 2015 at 9:38 pm)TheRocketSurgeon Wrote: (October 22, 2015 at 9:34 pm)Drich Wrote: If that were true why hasn't the religion died? Even with false religions their is something powering belief something that underscores what is promised from that religion. In this life Christianity makes claims that are generally reserved for next level, next life people in other religions. (Prophets and even Demi gods) That's a pretty tall order to fill for 2000 years if it was only as you say don't you think?
You know, you're right- that is totally a reason to accept and follow Hinduism's Sanātana Dharma, "the eternal law" or the "eternal way".
Except it's 3000 years, not two. It's almost like you stop reading/thinking when you think I walk into a standard atheist arguement...
Again, even false religions have something supporting what it is they promise. Now if leveling up for the next life is your thing, then that is a 3000 year old religion for you.. Just ignore the billions living in squalor and their failed attempts of 'leveling up.' I'm quite sure you could master it in a single life time while those born in that religion (for hundreds if not thousands of year) fail miserably even in this day and age.
Seriously, look beyond the obvious, at everything I am speaking about. Yes I made mention to a 2000 year history, and yes I know their are older religions, so why would I be standing on just the age of the religion? I very clearly pointed to 2000 years of kept promises. Not just vague promises either. I pointed to the fact that Christianity promises its followers the things that the eliete/prophets in other religions don't always get to experience. What's more these things happen in this life not the next so they can be verified! You can't make empty promises for 2000 years and hold a religion together. Look how fast people are abandoning the church once it started preaching empty prosperity doctrines. With in a generation it's been gutted.
So again whether in False religion or under the care of God, it all boils down to what you are looking for.
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RE: the hammer of homosexuality
October 22, 2015 at 10:05 pm
(October 22, 2015 at 9:47 pm)KevinM1 Wrote: There, their, and they're.
Please learn when to use each one, Drich.
Maybe you should have Siri just read to you if my usage of the word there, reduces your responses to fish bait. (Red herring)
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