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RE: What if we're all wrong though?
June 1, 2010 at 4:56 pm
(June 1, 2010 at 1:52 pm)Craveman Wrote: On a more serious note do you really think that an supposedly all loving God would create something as twisted as Hell?
Nope. An all loving god that creates a hell for endless torture is a contradiction, and for a perfect being to contradict itself cannot therfor be perfect.
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Mankind's intelligence walks hand in hand with it's stupidity.
Being an atheist says nothing about your overall intelligence, it just means you don't believe in god. Atheists can be as bright as any scientist and as stupid as any creationist.
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RE: What if we're all wrong though?
June 1, 2010 at 5:19 pm
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(June 1, 2010 at 8:26 am)mem Wrote: We might all end up in Hell for this [/size][/font]
If I die today and yet somehow magically appear before a wrathful god then I've only got one thing to say to this deity:
Where the fuck were you hiding?
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RE: What if we're all wrong though?
June 2, 2010 at 1:22 am
But then again...we might be right.
Then what??
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RE: What if we're all wrong though?
June 2, 2010 at 2:46 am
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RE: What if we're all wrong though?
June 2, 2010 at 5:53 am
If we are wrong it's because we were set up to fail by a deceptive, vindictive,nasty,small minded god.
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RE: What if we're all wrong though?
June 2, 2010 at 6:05 am
(June 2, 2010 at 5:53 am)Zen Badger Wrote: If we are wrong it's because we were set up to fail by a deceptive, vindictive,nasty,small minded god.
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RE: What if we're all wrong though?
June 2, 2010 at 9:22 am
I wouldn't want to be in a heaven with the Mormons anyway.
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RE: What if we're all wrong though?
June 2, 2010 at 10:26 am
lol@ Eilonnwy
Honestly this is very Pascal's Wager-esque. However it's just not something that I think about very often, but i'll do my best to give a good answer. If the genocidal, megalomaniacal, self-serving, condescending, child killing monster known as the judeo-christian god is real, then i'd much rather go to hell than align myself with him anyway. If he would send people to burn in hell for eternity for requesting even a sliver of evidence to his existence before believing, then fuck him. What sort of all powerful being needs constant re-assurance of his omnipotence anyway?
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RE: What if we're all wrong though?
June 2, 2010 at 11:15 am
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We just as well might end up with all christians as a flock of flying toasters in the brazilian jungle as a punishment for not believing in god X. The thing is, to sort out this mesh the only thing we can rely on ultimately is reason. If we are to abandon reason altogether there would be no structure to the world we are living in now whatsoever. So the real choice is to allow hell on earth or to postpone a judgement based on illogic.
Also the eternal punishment thing for me morally disqualifies the christian god. In general I find it easier to reject gods on moral grounds than to exclude their existence with reason and evidence.
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RE: What if we're all wrong though?
June 2, 2010 at 12:21 pm
(June 2, 2010 at 10:26 am)SleepingDemon Wrote: lol@Eilonnwy
Honestly this is very Pascal's Wager-esque. However it's just not something that I think about very often, but i'll do my best to give a good answer. If the genocidal, megalomaniacal, self-serving, condescending, child killing monster known as the judeo-christian god is real, then i'd much rather go to hell than align myself with him anyway. If he would send people to burn in hell for eternity for requesting even a sliver of evidence to his existence before believing, then fuck him. What sort of all powerful being needs constant re-assurance of his omnipotence anyway? Sorry to tell you this but I don't know who pascal and what was the wager? Sorry, I am a bit thick 
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