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RE: Loving God More Than Your Family & Spouse
November 15, 2015 at 12:39 am
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"No true christian/buddhist ™." 
What do you mean no one will say it? You will, you have. What's the problem? If karma and rape are equivalent, then yes, I'm afraid it is violence, to any sensible person. Non-attachment itself is a dream ideology for developing suicide bombers. It is, in fact, exactly how suicide bombers are developed.
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Loving God More Than Your Family & Spouse
November 15, 2015 at 12:51 am
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As in no sane person regardless or being Buddhist or not will be "happy" that the girl got raped. I used karma to explain as to why it happened to her. Her past karma catching up. But I feel compassion towards the girl , I have rage against the rapist.
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RE: Loving God More Than Your Family & Spouse
November 15, 2015 at 12:58 am
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Perhaps you should focus you rage at karma? The rapist is just a tool. That's like getting angry at a hammer for having driven a nail.
So, to recap....
The thing that prompted your op, the thing you "don't understand", is also a part of -your- belief system. As is the violence that you feel your belief system can magically prevent, violence which is present and obvious but somehow, you failed to notice in the case of your own tradition even though you had no trouble identifying it in the traditions of another. That about sum things up?
Fucking buddhists......yall seem to be under the impression that your shit doesn't stink as badly as the christian's. 
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November 15, 2015 at 1:49 am
Such language sir , I apologize for making you violent with your speech. My OP was how do you love something that doesn't exist. It was you who brought my beliefs into the picture. I don't love, hate or be emotional of my belief. I practice it. I don't force it down anyone either. To you my belief is "imaginary" and I'm fine with that. I don't force or threaten you with it.
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RE: Loving God More Than Your Family & Spouse
November 15, 2015 at 3:26 pm
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You brought your own beliefs into the conversation when you criticized those of another as though they were somehow different or inexplicable when they are clearly not, even in the least tiny bit. What better way for me to help you understand a christian belief, than to use the language and concepts of your own belief's analog for the same.
OFC you don't force or threaten me with your beliefs, they have no force and their threats are toothless, but since no one claimed that you did......why are we discussing it? Does that excuse your hypocrisy?
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RE: Loving God More Than Your Family & Spouse
November 17, 2015 at 1:44 pm
(November 14, 2015 at 2:07 am)miaharun Wrote: (November 13, 2015 at 11:48 am)orangebox21 Wrote: People do this all the time in other contexts. Some people love the "sense of reward" [an intangible entity] of their job more than their families.
You've now equivocated, defining 'imaginary' the same as 'intangible.'
Again you've equivocated, defining something that is 'intangible' as 'imaginary'.
If you are defining God as imaginary (God is intangible and intangible entities are imaginary) then it is understandable why you can't understand why a person would choose to love God more than a spouse. By your own standard you would also then have to ask the question: how can a person love in the first place, how is that possible? After all love is an intangible entity and therefore imaginary.
When one loves someone , it can be felt with your sensors right ? Vision , hearing , touch etc.
You're confusing your terms here again. The 'felt' response' is different from love.
(November 14, 2015 at 7:35 am)pgrimes15 Wrote: (November 13, 2015 at 11:48 am)orangebox21 Wrote: People do this all the time in other contexts. Some people love the "sense of reward" [an intangible entity] of their job more than their families.
You've now equivocated, defining 'imaginary' the same as 'intangible.'
Again you've equivocated, defining something that is 'intangible' as 'imaginary'.
If you are defining God as imaginary (God is intangible and intangible entities are imaginary) then it is understandable why you can't understand why a person would choose to love God more than a spouse. By your own standard you would also then have to ask the question: how can a person love in the first place, how is that possible? After all love is an intangible entity and therefore imaginary. I think you need to refresh your understanding of what equivocation means.
Grimesy Is your contention with my claim of illogic or with how I have it labeled? If the problem is the latter, what is the proper label?
If it could be proven beyond doubt that God exists...
and that He is the one spoken of in the Bible...
would you repent of your sins and place your faith in Jesus Christ?
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RE: Loving God More Than Your Family & Spouse
November 17, 2015 at 1:47 pm
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Equivocation only applies when a person is attempting to...equivocate. Mia was not, Mia thinks that your god is imaginary, not intangible, imaginary. You don't, but just because you disagree on that issue, does not mean that Mia equivocated.
I am the Infantry. I am my country’s strength in war, her deterrent in peace. I am the heart of the fight… wherever, whenever. I carry America’s faith and honor against her enemies. I am the Queen of Battle. I am what my country expects me to be, the best trained Soldier in the world. In the race for victory, I am swift, determined, and courageous, armed with a fierce will to win. Never will I fail my country’s trust. Always I fight on…through the foe, to the objective, to triumph overall. If necessary, I will fight to my death. By my steadfast courage, I have won more than 200 years of freedom. I yield not to weakness, to hunger, to cowardice, to fatigue, to superior odds, For I am mentally tough, physically strong, and morally straight. I forsake not, my country, my mission, my comrades, my sacred duty. I am relentless. I am always there, now and forever. I AM THE INFANTRY! FOLLOW ME!
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RE: Loving God More Than Your Family & Spouse
November 18, 2015 at 2:49 pm
(November 13, 2015 at 7:01 am)miaharun Wrote: Hi All, I just want to know how one can love something intangible more than someone you can intellectually discern. How is it possible? How can you get married knowing you love a imaginary friend more? How can a relationship with this friend (again intangible) can impact ones life more than what a real person can offer you ? Like love and intimacy . I just fail to see why the vast majority of people on this planet continue to do this.
What makes you think God is intangible/will always remain so?
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November 18, 2015 at 2:57 pm
(November 18, 2015 at 2:49 pm)Drich Wrote: (November 13, 2015 at 7:01 am)miaharun Wrote: Hi All, I just want to know how one can love something intangible more than someone you can intellectually discern. How is it possible? How can you get married knowing you love a imaginary friend more? How can a relationship with this friend (again intangible) can impact ones life more than what a real person can offer you ? Like love and intimacy . I just fail to see why the vast majority of people on this planet continue to do this.
What makes you think God is intangible/will always remain so?
I'll take an example that has been bothering me for sometime. If God was indeed real. Why would poverty exist ? How many people suffer from hunger and how many drive Jaguars. Surely God can feed everyone. Surely God can feel the pain. Why are some people pretty and some not ? Why are people born deformed ? Imagine how a deformed person will suffer in life. So no, if your a parent surely you wouldn't let one child suffer and the other a life full of happiness. If he or she did exist , the most cruel thing I have seen.
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RE: Loving God More Than Your Family & Spouse
November 18, 2015 at 3:18 pm
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If karma is real, why do bad things happen to good people...and why do good things happen to bad people?
There is no satisfying answer to either of these questions because they both begin with silly assumptions.
I am the Infantry. I am my country’s strength in war, her deterrent in peace. I am the heart of the fight… wherever, whenever. I carry America’s faith and honor against her enemies. I am the Queen of Battle. I am what my country expects me to be, the best trained Soldier in the world. In the race for victory, I am swift, determined, and courageous, armed with a fierce will to win. Never will I fail my country’s trust. Always I fight on…through the foe, to the objective, to triumph overall. If necessary, I will fight to my death. By my steadfast courage, I have won more than 200 years of freedom. I yield not to weakness, to hunger, to cowardice, to fatigue, to superior odds, For I am mentally tough, physically strong, and morally straight. I forsake not, my country, my mission, my comrades, my sacred duty. I am relentless. I am always there, now and forever. I AM THE INFANTRY! FOLLOW ME!
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