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3 stages made me believe in Islam: 1-atheism
#21
RE: 3 stages made me believe in Islam: 1-atheism
Quote:Maybe your parents weren't very religious but the society you live in is religiously influenced and it has influenced you since your birth. You'll easily find muslim apologists to convince you that Allah is real in Egypt, but you won't find a lot of christian apologists lol. You've been in interaction during your whole life only with one side of the God argument. You've been shaped by social pressures more than you think.
maybe you are right but i ended up with solid reasons for my beliefs
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#22
RE: 3 stages made me believe in Islam: 1-atheism
(June 21, 2010 at 9:42 am)mo3taz3nbar Wrote:
Quote:Maybe your parents weren't very religious but the society you live in is religiously influenced and it has influenced you since your birth. You'll easily find muslim apologists to convince you that Allah is real in Egypt, but you won't find a lot of christian apologists lol. You've been in interaction during your whole life only with one side of the God argument. You've been shaped by social pressures more than you think.
maybe you are right but i ended up with solid reasons for my beliefs

They seem like solid reasons to you, you mean. As atheists, most of us do not think there are 'solid reasons' to believe that any religion is true. You can explain why you believe in Islam, the one you decided to believe, all you want... and that's pretty much all you have done... but I fail to see any point to it at all.

You believe that the Muslim religion is the truth. Good for you. If you are here to convince us that you are right, you may as well just stop trying. If you have some other reason to be here... I've yet to determine what it might be. At first I thought it might be nice to have a Muslim perspective in some of the discussions. We already have atheist, Christian, and deistic perpsectives, so adding another would be refreshing. But you haven't done that. All you do is try to justify your belief in Islam. We don't care, mo3. Believe what you will. We do not care.
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#23
RE: 3 stages made me believe in Islam: 1-atheism
Quote:You believe that the Muslim religion is the truth. Good for you. If you are here to convince us that you are right, you may as well just stop trying. If you have some other reason to be here... I've yet to determine what it might be. At first I thought it might be nice to have a Muslim perspective in some of the discussions. We already have atheist, Christian, and deistic perpsectives, so adding another would be refreshing. But you haven't done that. All you do is try to justify your belief in Islam. We don't care, mo3. Believe what you will. We do not care.
paul we are just sharing our beliefs am not trying to do anything or to justify anything i have my beliefs and you have yours. i was just interested to know about the reasons that made you guys atheists and am still trying lol. in this thread i was willing to talk about atheism but most of you guys are talking as am trying to convince you but in fact in this thread am just asking some questions that i want to know your opinion about thats it.
and about having a muslim perspective i will try to do that but am really busy so i prefer to concentrate in just one thread but i will try to give you my perspective as a muslim in different threads if someone bring something am interested in.
my next thread i was suppose to ask about the criterea of searching in different religions and also share mine but you guys are the worst at giving your opinion you just want to debate if this was the case in this thread i will just jump to the third thread i was willing to write which is the proof that god exists for me Smile
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#24
RE: 3 stages made me believe in Islam: 1-atheism
Quote:i was just interested to know about the reasons that made you guys atheists and am still trying lol.


BECAUSE WE SEE NO EVIDENCE FOR ANY FUCKING GODS!


Now, do you get it?
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#25
RE: 3 stages made me believe in Islam: 1-atheism
(June 21, 2010 at 2:31 pm)Minimalist Wrote:
Quote:i was just interested to know about the reasons that made you guys atheists and am still trying lol.


BECAUSE WE SEE NO EVIDENCE FOR ANY FUCKING GODS!


Now, do you get it?

So, what's your point exactly, Minimalist? It wasn't entirely clear. Wink
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#26
RE: 3 stages made me believe in Islam: 1-atheism
@Minimalist i think lack of evidence gives 50% probability unless you got evidence that god doesnt exist.you just saw some mistakes in christianity and you generalise that on every religion there is evidence but you dont know it.am interested to know what kind of evidence you are searching for?
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RE: 3 stages made me believe in Islam: 1-atheism
(June 21, 2010 at 3:27 pm)mo3taz3nbar Wrote: @Minimalist i think lack of evidence gives 50% probability unless you got evidence that god doesnt exist.you just saw some mistakes in christianity and you generalise that on every religion there is evidence but you dont know it.am interested to know what kind of evidence you are searching for?

Conclusive proof that god exists, fact there is none, and that doesn't make 50% it makes, like 0.00000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000001%
Because what the bible and most religious books say have been proven to be false.
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#28
RE: 3 stages made me believe in Islam: 1-atheism
Quote:Conclusive proof that god exists, fact there is none, and that doesn't make 50% it makes, like 0.00000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000001%
Because what the bible and most religious books say have been proven to be false.
so the reason is not the lack of evidence its the lack of evidence plus the mistakes in the scriptures you have read. that makes more sense and that is what i meant by the reasons for being an atheist but i think that you just read the bible Wink Shades
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#29
RE: 3 stages made me believe in Islam: 1-atheism
I can't prove God doesn't exist. You can't prove he does exist. Therefore the chances are 50/50. WRONG!!! VERY WRONG!!!!

This is a common mistake made by many theists and the reason it can never make sense is because it could apply to almost anything. I could tell you that there is a giant pink elephant in my kitchen that instantly disappears whenever anyone attempt to look at it or record it in any way. Therefore because I can't prove it exists and you can't prove it doesn't by your logic it had a 50/50 chance of being real.

Obviously this is absolute nonsense as anyone with more than two brain cells to rub together will know that the chances of their being an undetectable and monstrous pachyderm in my kitchen whilst not actually zero is so close to zero as makes no odds.

The God claim is no different.

If you really think about it, it must be so that anything you could ever think about but could not be proven either way has a 50/50 chance of being real. This simply cannot be so as the equation cannot be balanced.

Something therefore must be assumed not to exist unless there is evidence of some sort to support the claim that it does and the more robust and convincing the evidence the greater the probability.

To put it more bluntly, no sane human being would seriously claim that because we have not disproved the existence of leprechauns or unicorns, they must therefore exist (or must be assumed to exist).

I hope this clears the matter up for you Big Grin
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#30
RE: 3 stages made me believe in Islam: 1-atheism
what he said ^ Smile
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