Why do Atheists defend Islam?

[Catholic_Lady]

Not every Muslim does any of the above. So stop lumping them all into the same box.


Is that what they say? You sure you're not committing a strawman here?

"Not all Muslims," as I said earlier, is an irrelevant statement. There are enough Muslims that do this to be a problem. 80,000,000 women get their clitoris mutilated. Saudi Arabia, some Islamic militias, and other Muslim countries will stone women to death if they're raped, for committing adultery. And 80% of Muslims in the UK, yea you read that right, 80% of Muslims in the UK want drawing a picture of Muhammad to be illegal.

No I'm not committing a strawman, I've heard many people say that. The most famous one to say it is Anita Sarkeesian.

Don't you agree that we should defend those who DON'T though?

[Thumpalumpacus]

I speak out against bigotry when I see, without regard to the object of the bigotry -- faith, skin color, or whatever. Speaking out against bigotry doesn't mean defending a faith.

[GrandizerII]

80,000,000 women get their clitoris mutilated.

Yes, and this is a big problem, but you understand this isn't purely an Islamic thing, right? You know other cultures that have nothing to do with Islam practice FGM as well, right?

Meanwhile, no one seems to care that a large number of American men have their genitals mutilated as well. And that also hardly has nothing to do with Islam.

Saudi Arabia, some Islamic militias, and other Muslim countries will stone women to death if they're raped, for committing adultery.

Yes, shit governments and shit people in power applying shit laws. You don't know if this is because of Islam or if Islam is simply a correlate factor in these cases. And besides, lots of Muslims are against this practice. So it's not fair that you treat them all as if they're made from the exact same cloth.

And 80% of Muslims in the UK, yea you read that right, 80% of Muslims in the UK want drawing a picture of Muhammad to be illegal.

American Republicans are just as bad.

No I'm not committing a strawman, I've heard many people say that. The most famous one to say it is Anita Sarkeesian.

Is she a sociologist? And can you quote what she said exactly?

[abaris]

Yeah, let's defend a group of people who mutilate a woman's clitoris so they don't cheat on their husbands.
Yeah, let's defend a group of people that punish a rape victim by stoning them to death.
Yeah, let's defend a group of people who want to make it illegal to draw pictures of Muhammad.

Nice blanket statements you have there. I guess it's pointless to try and burst your bubble on clitoris mutliation. It's a cultural problem and not in any way associated with Islam. It happens outside Islam too and if it does happen with Islam, it does only happen in a minority of islamic regions. It's not the rule.

The stoning part doesn't deserve any comment, since again, it only happens in the minority of minorites and isn't the rule. If you imply it's in their book, yes, but it's in all the books.

The drawing part also only evokes violence with a very small minority. It is shunned by many, that's true, but it's not only about Muhammad, but about all humans. They are discouraged from drawing images of humans in general. But to understand that, it would require an informed opinion and somehow I doubt I'm dealing with that. Last, you might want to look at christian outrages, such as over the Piss Christ or The Last Temptation of Christ to get that it's not confined to Islam.

All in all, half assed hatred doesn't cut it. If you despise something, at least get your facts straight. Otherwise hardly anyone outside of the usual suspects will take you seriously.

[CapnAwesome]

I'll never understand the liberal atheists who defend Islam in the name of political correctness. Especially when the same people bash on western culture. It does happen and even on these boards but is hardly common amoungst Atheists. Most Atheists are very critical of Islam. I would say even the most critical of Islam.

[abaris]

I'll never understand the liberal atheists who defend Islam in the name of political correctness. Especially when the same people bash on western culture.  It does happen and even on these boards but is hardly common amoungst Atheists. Most Atheists are very critical of Islam. I would say even the most critical of Islam.

No, it doesn't happen. It's only that some of you are unable to make a distinction between Islam and muslim. And if I haven't made myself perfectly clear already, I step up against that kind of bigotry and not in defense of any religion.

Oh, and what I hate most, is uninformed talking out of the ass. Which happens pretty frequently. Without giving any regards to the multitude of different ethnicitiies, cultures and countries being majority Islam and throwing them all under the same blanket.

[Mechaghostman2]

Yeah, let's defend a group of people who mutilate a woman's clitoris so they don't cheat on their husbands.
Yeah, let's defend a group of people that punish a rape victim by stoning them to death.
Yeah, let's defend a group of people who want to make it illegal to draw pictures of Muhammad.

Nice blanket statements you have there. I guess it's pointless to try and burst your bubble on clitoris mutliation. It's a cultural problem and not in any way associated with Islam. It happens outside Islam too and if it does happen with Islam, it does only happen in a minority of islamic regions. It's not the rule.

The stoning part doesn't deserve any comment, since again, it only happens in the minority of minorites and isn't the rule. If you imply it's in their book, yes, but it's in all the books.

The drawing part also only evokes violence with a very small minority. It is shunned by many, that's true, but it's not only about Muhammad, but about all humans. They are discouraged from drawing images of humans in general. But to understand that, it would require an informed opinion and somehow I doubt I'm dealing with that. Last, you might want to look at christian outrages, such as over the Piss Christ or The Last Temptation of Christ to get that it's not confined to Islam.

All in all, half assed hatred doesn't cut it. If you despise something, at least get your facts straight. Otherwise hardly anyone outside of the usual suspects will take you seriously.

Stoning rape victims is law in these Islamic majority nations. I don't see it happening in 3rd and 2nd world nations run by Christians.
Yeah, 90% of women in Egypt having their clit mutilated, totally nothing to do with Islam and only a small minority. 
Did I mention violence about the prophet Muhammad? Nope. I mentioned how many Muslims want to put you in prison for drawing Muhammad. The most I see Christians do is social media outrage and not much more. 

Did the Christians kill anybody over the movie The Life Of Brian? No. Did the Muslims kill anybody over the movie The Innocence Of Muslims? Why yes, yes they did. 

Again, saying "only a minority of Muslims" is irrelevant. 1% of Muslims is still 15,000,000 people. There's enough Muslims that a minority still makes for a very large problem.

[CapnAwesome]

I'll never understand the liberal atheists who defend Islam in the name of political correctness. Especially when the same people bash on western culture.  It does happen and even on these boards but is hardly common amoungst Atheists. Most Atheists are very critical of Islam. I would say even the most critical of Islam.

No, it doesn't happen. It's only that some of you are unable to make a distinction between Islam and muslim. And if I haven't made myself perfectly clear already, I step up against that kind of bigotry and not in defense of any religion.

Oh, and what I hate most, is uninformed talking out of the ass. Which happens pretty frequently. Without giving any regards to the multitude of different ethnicitiies, cultures and countries being majority Islam and throwing them all under the same blanket.

Islam and the beliefs of most Muslims are totally against free speech. Of course I'm not against a Muslim who isn't really religious, but wanting Sharia law to be the law of every country in the world is hardly a belief of a small minority of Muslims. I think you love the use of the world 'all'  a little too much, so much that you imagine it in places where people aren't saying it.

[Mechaghostman2]

Yeah, the "you're not educated enough" argument.

Ad-ignorantium fallacy.

And if that's how you want to play it, Richard Dawkins, Sam Harris, Phil Mason, and Christopher Hitchens all have a higher education than most the people on this website.

[abaris]

Present reliable sources or keep talking out of your ass. Your choice. And by reliable I don't mean Breitbart or Stormfront, but the UN, Amnesty or similar organisations.