US Muslims struggle with condemnation

[brewer]

Should I as a white man have to condemn each act of  white-on-black racial violence in America?

Don't you? Maybe not publicly, but then we re not in the public eye.

[Wyrd of Gawd]

The hysteria over a few killings by terrorists is asinine and completely blown out of proportion for propaganda reasons.  Since 9-11 muslim nutters have killed just 48 people in America.    White supremacists nutters have killed 48.  Crazy cops, friends, family members, and neighbors have killed over 200,000.

"Obama's Speech, Translated into Candor"
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/norman-sol...37054.html

"As a practical matter, the current hysteria needs guidance, not a sense of proportion along the lines of what the New York Times just mentioned in passing: "The death toll from jihadist terrorism on American soil since the Sept. 11 attacks -- 45 people -- is about the same as the 48 killed in terrorist attacks motivated by white supremacist and other right-wing extremist ideologies.... And both tolls are tiny compared with the tally of conventional murders, more than 200,000 over the same period.""

7,397 people were killed in Chicago during that same time period.
https://data.cityofchicago.org/Public-Sa.../ukvm-p8wb

Houston had 3,614 murders from 2001-2013.

So if you want to worry about getting killed, worry about crazy cops, friends, family member, and neighbors killing uoi instead of nutty muslim terrorists.

[Minimalist]

but one of them used the excuse that he was just some deranged guy living in the woods without electricity, rambling incoherently while shooting at people who didn't even have anything to do with PP

Sounds like a potential GOP nominee.  How's he doing in the polls, C/L?

[Dystopia]

I actually wonder how much responsibility does one hold for ideas - If I'm a communist, am I supposed to apologize because "stalin"? "Hey guys, I'm sorry, but I just love worker's rights!". ??

Wait.

You're a communist??

No

[God of Mr. Hanky]

You do condemn those things don't you?  Do you think you shouldn't?

Sometimes I do. Other times I don't know about the incident.

However, at no time have I had a microphone stuck in my face and been asked to condemn racial violence committed by another white man on a cable news network. It wasn't expected that I should be a spokesman. That double-standard is the point of my post

If this has actually happened to any person on account of their race, then it was certainly wrong. However, if you really don't smell the rankness of the red herring which you have made it into, then I'm afraid this thread is going to bury you.

Race <> Ideology, Choice, Moral Code, Public Statements, Actions, Attitudes On Justice and Society, Political Agendas, Jihad, nor Holy Wars, and none of this needs explaining to most people in this world!

[Dystopia]

Sometimes I do. Other times I don't know about the incident.

However, at no time have I had a microphone stuck in my face and been asked to condemn racial violence committed by another white man on a cable news network. It wasn't expected that I should be a spokesman. That double-standard is the point of my post

If you really don't smell the rankness of that red herring, then I'm afraid this thread is going to bury you.

Race <> Ideology, Choice, Moral Code, Public Statements, nor Actions, and none of this needs explaining to most people in this world!

Well, can you prove that anything is a choice?

I don't think this is about "choices", it's about people belonging to a specific artificial group and having to apologize for what members of the same group did now or a few hundred years ago.

[Thumpalumpacus]

Sometimes I do. Other times I don't know about the incident.

However, at no time have I had a microphone stuck in my face and been asked to condemn racial violence committed by another white man on a cable news network. It wasn't expected that I should be a spokesman. That double-standard is the point of my post

If this has actually happened to any person on account of their race, then it was certainly wrong. However, if you really don't smell the rankness of the red herring which you have made it into, then I'm afraid this thread is going to bury you.

Get your shovel and get to work, then. Simply dismissing my point is not going to cut it.

Race <> Ideology, Choice, Moral Code, Public Statements, Actions, Attitudes On Justice and Society, Political Agendas, Jihad, nor Holy Wars, and none of this needs explaining to most people in this world!

I did not say it was. What I said was that when another white man does something I'm not held to answer for that person, or for white folk in general. Why should Muslims be treated differently?

Are you going to address my point about the double-standard?

[Thumpalumpacus]

I agree with every word of this. Well said. As a Christian I will be sure to stand up in condemnation towards any mofo who kills people because of his Christian beliefs.

Did CNN come and interview you? Because that double-standard is the point.

[paulpablo]

The hysteria over a few killings by terrorists is asinine and completely blown out of proportion for propaganda reasons.  Since 9-11 muslim nutters have killed just 48 people in America.    White supremacists nutters have killed 48.  Crazy cops, friends, family members, and neighbors have killed over 200,000.

"Obama's Speech, Translated into Candor"
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/norman-sol...37054.html

"As a practical matter, the current hysteria needs guidance, not a sense of proportion along the lines of what the New York Times just mentioned in passing: "The death toll from jihadist terrorism on American soil since the Sept. 11 attacks -- 45 people -- is about the same as the 48 killed in terrorist attacks motivated by white supremacist and other right-wing extremist ideologies.... And both tolls are tiny compared with the tally of conventional murders, more than 200,000 over the same period.""

7,397 people were killed in Chicago during that same time period.
https://data.cityofchicago.org/Public-Sa.../ukvm-p8wb

Houston had 3,614 murders from 2001-2013.

So if you want to worry about getting killed, worry about crazy cops, friends, family member, and neighbors killing uoi instead of nutty muslim terrorists.

Don't you think these statistics are actually pretty bad? It's basically saying that since the day Islamic terrorists killed over 2000 people, they have been as violent as your average white supremacist group. So not including the 2000 that died that day, they're as violent as white supremacist terrorists, with the added factor that they're continuing to attack Europe and promising America will be next.
To me it seems like the mentality of an abused housewife to view these statistics as promising in relation to Muslims . It's like saying "well since my husband beat me half to death with a baseball bat he's only beat me as much as an average domestic abuse victim so I'm sure there's nothing to worry about"

[vorlon13]

The hysteria over a few killings by terrorists is asinine and completely blown out of proportion for propaganda reasons.  Since 9-11 muslim nutters have killed just 48 people in America.    White supremacists nutters have killed 48.  Crazy cops, friends, family members, and neighbors have killed over 200,000.

"Obama's Speech, Translated into Candor"
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/norman-sol...37054.html

"As a practical matter, the current hysteria needs guidance, not a sense of proportion along the lines of what the New York Times just mentioned in passing: "The death toll from jihadist terrorism on American soil since the Sept. 11 attacks -- 45 people -- is about the same as the 48 killed in terrorist attacks motivated by white supremacist and other right-wing extremist ideologies.... And both tolls are tiny compared with the tally of conventional murders, more than 200,000 over the same period.""

7,397 people were killed in Chicago during that same time period.
https://data.cityofchicago.org/Public-Sa.../ukvm-p8wb

Houston had 3,614 murders from 2001-2013.

So if you want to worry about getting killed, worry about crazy cops, friends, family member, and neighbors killing uoi instead of nutty muslim terrorists.

Um, left out gang bangers . . . .