Was Hitler a Christian?

[abaris]

^ But why not evangelization or zeal to save souls?

I suppose you could consider trying to free Russia of it's atheism that.

I do realize that while there were bad parts about it, the invasion of the USSR really brought a lot of faithful Christians to fight.


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blue_Division



It really is hard to believe that Christians in the USSR would need to wait nearly 50 years to practice their religion freely!

You do realize, you're talking bullshit with every line you're posting? What's got the Blue division to do with anything? These were Franco's men, a mass murderer in his own right, though he pales in comparison to Hitler, since he only managed to kill about 250.000.

Better look up Pius XII and what he appreciated during Hitler's reign. Better look up the role of the german protestant churches, if you really believe that Catholics aren't christians. Talking out of your ass doesn't make you an expert. I really can't believe you're the real deal, since you would be a very bad example if you were. You're radiating ignorance on a yet unknown scale.

[The Valkyrie]

Again, can someone justify calling Catholics Christians?

next your going to call Mormons Christians...

It's not only Catholic doctrine to persecute Jews.  The founder of the protestant movement was also notoriously anti-Jewish.

Seems one of the commonalities of Christianity.

Of course, there are thousands of denominations of Christianity claiming to be the one true faith - Catholicism has the advantage of having been there first, when it came to serious organisation.  The question is to you: define what "true Christianity™" entails.

Which of those thousands of denominations is the correct one (probably, conveniently, your one, right?).

And if they truly all venerate Jesus in their own way, then almost certainly all are Christians.

[Minimalist]

Albert Speer also reported that Hitler was a vegetarian.  He recounted how at dinner one time Hitler chided the others as "carrion eaters."

For that reason alone I wouldn't like him.

[Minimalist]

Again, can someone justify calling Catholics Christians?

next your going to call Mormons Christians...

It's a dishonorable title.

Anyone who wants it is welcome to it.

[Chad32]

Again, can someone justify calling Catholics Christians?

next your going to call Mormons Christians...

Catholics worship Jesus. It was the first group to do it, and half of the population of the planet that worships Jesus is catholics. Yes they venerate Mary too, as well as other saints. That doesn't make them not christians.

You could say that they respect Mary more than Jesus did. When your momma comes calling for you, you drop what you're doing and see what she wants. You don't just say you're hanging out with the guys and ignore her.

[BrianSoddingBoru4]

Enough. What does it even matter whether Hitler was a Christian or not? He would have been a vile, butchering fuck face irrespective of his religious beliefs.

Whether or not he considered himself Christian doesn't invalidate Christianity (it is invalid, but for a host of other reasons). Doctrines and beliefs stand or fall on their value, not on their appropriation by sick and twisted psychopaths.

Boru

[Gawdzilla]

"The founder of the protestant movement (a German) was also notoriously anti-Jewish."

[Edwardo Piet]

You could say that they respect Mary more than Jesus did. When your momma comes calling for you, you drop what you're doing and see what she wants. You don't just say you're hanging out with the guys and ignore her.

I bet he probably said something like

I'm off out to hang out with the guys. In fact I have made friends with this guy called Judas who says he has this idea for this excellent plot twist where I don't just hang out with him but he actually hangs me.

Yeah he'll be all like "VOTE: lynch Jesus".

I'm gonna be famous. But I think I might suggest crucifixion instead. And at the end the best part is I'll pretend I knew nothing of his plan. I'm totally gonna betray him and accuse him of betraying me. It's how it works this messiah thing mom, you wouldn't understand. You don't understand me. No one understands me or what I'm going through. And no I don't have time to stop for dinner. Nope, not even if you microwave it. Bye Ma! Not coming back. But I'll tell them I will.

[BrianSoddingBoru4]

"The founder of the protestant movement (a German) was also notoriously anti-Jewish."

Yes, Martin Luther. And?

Boru

[Jenny A]

Enough.  What does it even matter whether Hitler was a Christian or not?  He would have been a vile, butchering fuck face irrespective of his religious beliefs.

Whether or not he considered himself Christian doesn't invalidate Christianity (it is invalid, but for a host of other reasons). Doctrines and beliefs stand or fall on their value, not on their appropriation by sick and twisted psychopaths.

Boru

That's pretty much it.  Atheist, pagan, theist, Christian, or whatever, Hitler was a monster.  But that says nothing about atheists, pagans, theists, Christians, or whateverists.

However, Hitler deliberately appealed to Christians.  And they responded.  The Pope, Catholics, and Lutherans, responded.  That, does say something.

Conversely, many of those who risked life and limb to save Jews were Christian.  Those included Christians Catholic and protestant.

It seems to me that the response to Hitler was not exactly religious neutral as Hitler appealed directly to Christians, but faith lack there of was not the determinative reason for resistance or collaboration.

It seems moral fiber is independent of religion.