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RE: The Ultimate Value and the signs of it in ourselves.
November 5, 2017 at 1:42 pm
(October 19, 2017 at 10:51 pm)Whateverist Wrote: MK, what is your obsession with all this ultimate stuff? Is everything else insignificant? If you can't have ultimate, why bother I guess.
God is something we all have access to through his name which is connected to us all, the leader of our time, who inherited from all those who were once his beautiful name. Yes, why bother, exactly, which will make humans free from the illusions and lies of a temporary world and pleasure that is fleeting over an everlasting pleasure and relationship and beauty..."what is with you perishes while what is with God remains" - Quran.
It is because he is the most significant, that everything dulls with respect to his greatness and majesty, it is because he is the Ultimate, the one to be valued above all else, that we ought to value him above all else.
He is immersed with us, there is no way to see without his light, no way to know without his signs, no way to leap without his stages, and no way to walk without his path. We need Him, and he is sufficient as a helper and guide through the door he has appointed for us to come through with humbleness.
God is the Ultimate Goal, the one who we should obey and follow, the one who we should search to the ends of the earth to know if necessary.
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RE: The Ultimate Value and the signs of it in ourselves.
November 5, 2017 at 3:48 pm
I don't care, and don't need your god. Now what?
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RE: The Ultimate Value and the signs of it in ourselves.
November 5, 2017 at 6:07 pm
Yeah, me neither. The idea of an ultimate without qualification, just in regard to everything, makes no sense. Your actual and only life is the part which is temporal. By obsessing on ultimates you sacrifice the actual.
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RE: The Ultimate Value and the signs of it in ourselves.
November 5, 2017 at 8:37 pm
I don't need your god either, MK.
You don't need your god either.
Maybe you need your god in order to motivate yourself to X. But that's all.
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RE: The Ultimate Value and the signs of it in ourselves.
November 5, 2017 at 8:48 pm
Ultimates? Meh. That kind of thing just creates an unbalanced dynamic, with one side too powerful to relate to in any meaningful way.
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RE: The Ultimate Value and the signs of it in ourselves.
November 5, 2017 at 8:52 pm
Ultimately, everything is ultimate. When religious folks speak of "the ultimate" they're usually talking about something magical.
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RE: The Ultimate Value and the signs of it in ourselves.
November 15, 2017 at 5:25 pm
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(October 19, 2017 at 12:19 pm)FatAndFaithless Wrote: Mystic, that first sentence makes literally zero sense. I have absolutely no idea what you're trying to say. It reads like a Depak Chopra grab bag of buzzwords and woo.
Qualitative measures are always made by a measurer. Do you agree with so far as that?
I believe value is both qualitative and quantitative.
I am saying qualitative value must be measured to exist as well.
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RE: The Ultimate Value and the signs of it in ourselves.
November 15, 2017 at 5:48 pm
(November 15, 2017 at 5:25 pm)MysticKnight Wrote: (October 19, 2017 at 12:19 pm)FatAndFaithless Wrote: Mystic, that first sentence makes literally zero sense. I have absolutely no idea what you're trying to say. It reads like a Depak Chopra grab bag of buzzwords and woo.
Qualitative measures are always made by a measurer. Do you agree with so far as that?
I believe value is both qualitative and quantitative.
I am saying qualitative value must be measured to exist as well.
eh? If "qualitative" value must be measured, then you are saying all value must be quantitative.
How does one quantify love, for example, or the enjoyment of a cup of hot chocolate?
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RE: The Ultimate Value and the signs of it in ourselves.
November 15, 2017 at 5:52 pm
We are pretty insignificant. Value is something we make up and apply to objects that are also insignificant.
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But on this battlefield no one wins
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RE: The Ultimate Value and the signs of it in ourselves.
November 15, 2017 at 5:56 pm
(November 15, 2017 at 5:48 pm)bennyboy Wrote: (November 15, 2017 at 5:25 pm)MysticKnight Wrote: Qualitative measures are always made by a measurer. Do you agree with so far as that?
I believe value is both qualitative and quantitative.
I am saying qualitative value must be measured to exist as well.
eh? If "qualitative" value must be measured, then you are saying all value must be quantitative.
How does one quantify love, for example, or the enjoyment of a cup of hot chocolate?
We can't, but there is a measurement of it, both vision of the values beauty or image, and the quantity as in magnitude of it.
This is something all humans acknowledge, and you can derive they acknowledge this just through the language they speak and what they say to each other.
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