Why More Americans Want to Own Guns

[The Grand Nudger]

@KUSA.

Hornaday makes claims, sure...but 5.56 is not particularly known for it's ability to knock someone down- though it's better than most rifle rounds on that count, or for "liquifying" insides...that's a sensational interpretation of what 5.56 does...which is main, not knockdown or liquefying insides, maim.  5.56 is also not the most common AR chambering in use, because it's a terrible hunting round and a so-so target round...... and an ar is compromise between a target rifle and a hunting rifle.   

With that chambering, and a handload (nice, btw)..you aren't gonna -stop- anything that isn't wearing a vest...you wont even get the signature 5.56 maiming.  You're going to go through and through at B&E range in the dark (and probably the wall behind him unless it's made of cinderblocks).  I mean, sure...you're -really- gonna fuck the guy up, you might not knock him on his ass but he'll hit his knees regardless. The exit wound would be tremendous.

That, to my mind, does not make for suitable home defense...admittedly, alot of it has to do with my house, my family. Lot's of kids and drywall.

[SofaKingHigh]

@KUSA.

Hornaday makes claims, sure...but 5.56 is not particularly known for it's ability to knock someone down- though it's better than most rifle rounds on that count, or for "liquifying" insides...that's a sensational interpretation of what 5.56 does...which is main, not knockdown or liquefying insides, maim.  5.56 is also not the most common AR chambering in use, because it's a terrible hunting round and a so-so target round...... and an ar is compromise between a target rifle and a hunting rifle.   

With that chambering, and a handload (nice, btw)..you aren't gonna -stop- anything that isn't wearing a vest...you wont even get the signature 5.56 maiming.  You're going to go through and through at B&E range in the dark (and probably the wall behind him unless it's made of cinderblocks).  I mean, sure...you're -really- gonna fuck the guy up, you might not knock him on his ass but he'll hit his knees regardless.  The exit wound would be tremendous.

That, to my mind, does not make for suitable home defense...admittedly, alot of it has to do with my house, my family.   Lot's of kids and drywall.

You know why NATO adopted the 5.56 round?  Because, in 8/10 cases, it won't kill.  The theory being that a soldier being hit by the round will take 1 or 2 of his friends out of the battlefield as they treat him, thus rendering the enemy force weakened by not one casualty, but by 2 or 3.

Literally months later, every soldier in NATO had to have their medical training re-done.......all soldiers being taught NOT to help a wounded comrade, but to fight through and leave them for the medics.

The stupidity of those at the top is genuinely astounding sometimes.

[KUSA]

There are a lot of misconceptions here about 5.56. The new ammo offerings are amazing when it comes to stopping a human. The old 55 grain fmj sucked.

You should see what the Vmax does to animals. It is horrific.

[Thumpalumpacus]

Exactly my point. Not every single gun purchased is bought for self-defense, further diminishing the pertinence of 'Zilla's point.

USians my find this interesting:  When apply for a firearms license in NZ, indicating a desire to use you gun for self-defense  makes it less likely that your application will be approved.

Boru

I am going to be buying a Remington 870 this year, because I live out in the country and there are coyotes and cougars in the area. Would that disqualify me?

[God of Mr. Hanky]

If I knew someone around me had a gun, I would be shit scared. I've never even seen a real one. I'd probably start shaking and perhaps run off.

This isn't an argument by the way, it's just how I am, having lived in (safe parts of) England my whole life. I do plan to visit America eventually, and just knowing people can be walking about with guns has put me off for a long time. I think I can come to terms with it, and hopefully I'll stop thinking about it after a while when I get there.

Somebody around you most likely does have a gun, Rob. If your law enforcement officials carry guns (are they still called "Bobbies"?), and they are anything like our shit-crazy American cops, then I'd be nervous to see one patrolling my street with a gun. Chances are you have a neighbor who does this, and sleeps within shooting distance of your house - you'd best presume they don't check their guns in at the end of their shifts, or they keep a personal gun at home. Why shouldn't they, when on or off duty they never stop being cops? Chances are fairly good there's a gun behind the counter of a business or two which you patronize on a regular basis, because they don't like getting robbed / can't afford insurance. Do you take to the highways on a regular basis? You probably passed at least one in which somebody carried a gun, legal or not.

When you really think about it, whether or not you know who has a gun doesn't really matter, as it doesn't change the reality that this is a violent world, and a lot of people are determined to protect themselves with the hardware which makes them feel safe. Therefore, it's best to deal with that reality by the presumption that the person you are talking to is armed, because you never know if he really is. This, by the way, is the basis for one of the Texas gunners' favorite arguments, and while I'm generally not a fan of Texan ideas other than their food, it's hard to argue contrary to the point that when you don't know who's packing, you think twice about starting a fight, or about committing a robbery in a mall parking lot. This actually happened in SC on a recent Black Friday - somebody with a gun witnessed a robbery in progress, fired her gun into the air, and the robbers scampered off. They probably won't try that again!

[KUSA]

If I knew someone around me had a gun, I would be shit scared. I've never even seen a real one. I'd probably start shaking and perhaps run off.

This isn't an argument by the way, it's just how I am, having lived in (safe parts of) England my whole life. I do plan to visit America eventually, and just knowing people can be walking about with guns has put me off for a long time. I think I can come to terms with it, and hopefully I'll stop thinking about it after a while when I get there.

If I took you to the range and let you shoot some targets you would change your mind. You would be like a kid at Christmas. As a matter of fact you would get a bit expensive as you would want to shoot all my ammo up.

[KUSA]

Here is one example of a 5.56 with the right bullet. The coyote will never recover.

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[downbeatplumb]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TABgNerEro8

[Gawdzilla]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TABgNerEro8

Alex Jones gets interviewed? Did they have him on ice in case a scheduled guest didn't show?

[BrianSoddingBoru4]

USians my find this interesting:  When apply for a firearms license in NZ, indicating a desire to use you gun for self-defense  makes it less likely that your application will be approved.

Boru

I am going to be buying a Remington 870 this year, because I live out in the country and there are coyotes and cougars in the area. Would that disqualify me?

Very unlikely, as New Zealand is known far and wide for our paucity of coyotes and cougars.

Boru