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RE: True randomness in QM
April 8, 2016 at 8:30 am
(April 8, 2016 at 6:07 am)Alex K Wrote: (April 8, 2016 at 5:53 am)pool the great Wrote: True randomness as I understand is a variable in existence without any influence from other variables. If such a variable exists then we can say that true randomness is real, am I right?
Essentially that means creation because only creation can create a truly independent variable. Huh? What is "creation"...
Quote:Since creation is impossible nothing we see are a product of randomness.
...and why is it impossible?
Creation - creating something out of nothing
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RE: True randomness in QM
April 8, 2016 at 8:33 am
(April 8, 2016 at 8:30 am)pool the great Wrote: (April 8, 2016 at 6:07 am)Alex K Wrote: Huh? What is "creation"...
...and why is it impossible?
Creation - creating something out of nothing
How exactly does the word "creating" apply to this case, and why is it impossible?
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RE: True randomness in QM
April 8, 2016 at 8:44 am
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(April 8, 2016 at 8:33 am)Alex K Wrote: (April 8, 2016 at 8:30 am)pool the great Wrote: Creation - creating something out of nothing
How exactly does the word "creating" apply to this case, and why is it impossible?
Creation would mean a variable existing independent of other variables. For example if I can create a car out of thin air, right now, that car would come into being with no dependence on any other variable.
If I had to buy a car, that car would have many variables that influence it coming into being.
Am I conveying my idea clearly or should I elaborate further?
Creation I believe is impossible because our universe being a closed system and... Well thermodynamics Bla Bla. Unless I'm wrong?
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RE: True randomness in QM
April 8, 2016 at 8:46 am
No, I get it, I just don't think that having a variable take a random value not determined by what came before, that that is equivalent to creating matter from "nothing".
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RE: True randomness in QM
April 8, 2016 at 8:51 am
(April 8, 2016 at 8:46 am)Alex K Wrote: No, I get it, I just don't think that having a variable take a random value not determined by what came before, that that is equivalent to creating matter from "nothing".
I thought about it and creation is the only thing I could equate to it. Unless of course you have something else to equate to this?
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RE: True randomness in QM
April 8, 2016 at 8:56 am
(April 8, 2016 at 8:51 am)pool the great Wrote: (April 8, 2016 at 8:46 am)Alex K Wrote: No, I get it, I just don't think that having a variable take a random value not determined by what came before, that that is equivalent to creating matter from "nothing".
I thought about it and creation is the only thing I could equate to it. Unless of course you have something else to equate to this?
No, which is why I don't think we can say much definite about it at the moment.
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RE: True randomness in QM
April 8, 2016 at 8:59 am
(April 8, 2016 at 8:56 am)Alex K Wrote: (April 8, 2016 at 8:51 am)pool the great Wrote: I thought about it and creation is the only thing I could equate to it. Unless of course you have something else to equate to this?
No, which is why I don't think we can say much definite about it at the moment.
In that case all I have to do is solidify my position on equating true randomness with creation.
Would you agree with me that a car that is created is independent of any outside variables?
Would you agree that a truly random variable will be independent of any outside variables?
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