Transexuals

[Mister Agenda]

He was clearly saying they aren't mentally competent.

nuupe. I'm asking if Mentally ill people should be allowed to set policy/Make laws.
in short
In your insane P/C world have are you so worried about what others think, that you would allow someone with a legit mental disorder make the rules for the rest of society?

They should be allowed to make their case like anyone else. If the law is already on their side, it shouldn't even be controversial. If laws need to be changed to accommodate them within the bounds of the Constitution, it should be up to lawmakers. That's how things work in America, Dritch.

And if they can get elected, more power to them. You should be sympathetic to that idea, considering many psychologists opine that one of the Republican front runners DOES have a diagnosable mental illness.

[LadyForCamus]

Drich is a known and confirmed liar.  In fact, we've all been duped here by allowing ourselves to get reeled into his vomitous nonsense yet again...I'm pretty sure he has a glorious orgasm every time he hits the "send" button on one of his heinous thread topics.

where has said confirmation taken place?
(citation please)

For a second time? Sure. You lied about the content of Deuteronomy 23:18 in "Pop Morality", but you're crazy if you think I'm going to thumb through that 100 page train wreck to find the post number. Anyone interested is certainly welcome to do so.

[abaris]

Obviously the population of North Carolina isn't as comfortable with the anti laws their politicians imposed. All good christians and upright citizens, of course. It's just that pornsite xhamster blacked out access there to protest the anti LGBT laws. And they presented some fun facts.

Kulich told HuffPost that the company’s statistics show that North Carolinians are more open-minded — at least about their porn — than laws like HB2 might suggest.

“Back in March, we had 400,000 hits for the term ‘Transsexual’ from North Carolina alone,” he said. “People from that state searched ‘Gay’ 319,907 times,” he added.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/porn...5fb50d9a92

So, a solid percentage of the overall population was looking for gay and transgender at this website alone. But we all know, this isn't the only site offering that kind of service.

[Mister Agenda]

The thing is, being trans is not synonymous with gender identity dysphoria; and when it IS the case, transitioning can be very effective as the cure.

Remember that the key difference between eccentricity and mental illness is ability to function effectively. A person suffering from GID is usually no longer suffering from it once they align their outward gender identity with their inner one.

ah, no.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gender_dysphoria

GID is anyone who is distressed/modifies behavior to emulate the opposite sex (from his/her assigned sex @ birth)

So ALL Transsexuals get classified as suffering from GID

From your link:

The American Psychiatric Association, publisher of the DSM-5, states that "gender nonconformity is not in itself a mental disorder. The critical element of gender dysphoria is the presence of clinically significant distress associated with the condition."[10]

The current main psychiatric approaches to treatment for persons diagnosed with GID are psychotherapy or to support the individual's preferred gender through hormone therapy, gender expression and role, or surgery

[Brian37]

ah, no.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gender_dysphoria

GID is anyone who is distressed/modifies behavior to emulate the opposite sex (from his/her assigned sex @ birth)

So ALL Transsexuals get classified as suffering from GID

From your link:

The American Psychiatric Association, publisher of the DSM-5, states that "gender nonconformity is not in itself a mental disorder. The critical element of gender dysphoria is the presence of clinically significant distress associated with the condition."[10]

The current main psychiatric approaches to treatment for persons diagnosed with GID are psychotherapy or to support the individual's preferred gender through hormone therapy, gender expression and role, or surgery

Bu bu their old unscientific book is more important.

[Mister Agenda]

nuupe. I'm asking if Mentally ill people should be allowed to set policy/Make laws.

On the whole the world would be a better place if they did not.

American Psychological Association To Classify Belief in God As a Mental Illness

They actually never considered doing that.

[Jenny A]

Should anyone making a law circumventing due process? Of course not. But I'm not seeing any circumventing of due process.  If you are speaking of the economic pressure that is being put on legislators to rethink the bills they are passing, that is a) not pressure applied solely by transpeople, but by lots of people who think the law is terrible, b) perfectly legal and c) a time honored aspect of our government. Government officials are rather well known for following the money, and they are supposed to be listening to their constituents, after all.

No 'alot of people' (a whole state's worth) want those laws on the books for their state. But the LGBT community in other states puts pressure on the companies who are threatening to pull out of those state. That is circumventing due process.

I think you better look up due process of law, because it doesn't mean what you think it does. It applies only to government actions against individuals which deprive them of life liberty or property. It has no application to the decision of a company to boycott a state. Companies have every right to choose not to do business in states because they find the laws of those states repugnant, burdensome, or just because. Boycotts are a time honored and perfectly legitimate method of applying political pressure.

[Mister Agenda]

Since it hasn't happened yet despite millions of opportunities for it to happen, it is certainly too rare to re-order society in order to guard against it. Have you considered the logistics of making sure that trans people don't use the bathroom they prefer? Maybe have school bathrooms that run on pass cards and handprints so only kids the school has determined the sex of can use the bathrooms assigned to them?

There goes the psy club degree hard at work again. Maybe you can get some of your money back.. or did you get your degree from trump? (i kid)

I has happened I provided 3 recent examples of it 'happening' reported to local news media. The national news refuses or is too scared to run the story.

A rapist disguising themselves as a woman to gain access to victims is not the same as a transsexual trying to use the bathroom.

Again, policing the birth sex of people trying to use the bathroom who superficially appear to be the correct gender for that bathroom is going to cause lots of problems. How are you going to like it when someone has to make sure your wife isn't a man when she has to pee?

[Mister Agenda]

It's not a disorder.

Like I said, it's not about mental health it's about personal identity.

Again according to the Mayo Clinic it is a disorder according to the term "Gender Identity Disorder"/GID it is a DISORDER!!!

You can be a transsexual without having this disorder. For example, many transsexuals find being able to identify and dress as the sex they prefer quite sufficient to make them comfortable, no hormone treatments or surgery. They don't have GID, as a rule.

[Mister Agenda]

All you have to do now is get the medical community to label religion a mental illness, and we will be 3/4 the way home according to the book of revelation.

They already have

http://atheistforums.org/thread-42551-po...pid1246265

Maybe you should get off the forum and start preparing instead.

Not actually true.