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RE: God's character
July 27, 2010 at 1:29 am
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@ skeptisma "Blind Faith is also a crap answer since it basically means belief in something without evidence or proof" editing by me
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July 27, 2010 at 3:43 am
He had faith based on countless previous occurences and tests that the apple would indeed fall down; as Arcanus so aptly put faith "faith is the sum of having the information, being persuaded of its truthfulness, and trusting in it." Being devoid of proof does not useless make, nor does faith equal devoid of reason and logic.
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July 27, 2010 at 6:37 am
@EvF It's only a tautology (unnecessary second definition or rhetoric) if the original definition weren't filled with the bias of believing faith is dependant on the exclusion of logic, reason and information as I've shown in my example.
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July 27, 2010 at 6:51 am
It doesn't say evidence it says proof and yes I disagree with the statement faith is illogical. Believing without evidence is "blind" faith. Aslo believing despite evidence is "blind". However basing your beliefs on subjective evidence and testing with logic and reason, coupled with trust in that conclusion is faith.
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RE: God's character
July 27, 2010 at 6:52 am
So you believe it's possible to have faith in evidence?
How is "faith" required if you have evidence?
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RE: God's character
July 27, 2010 at 6:54 am
Minimalist,as I have already said,I am not going to try to convert anybody.Please read what I say.
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RE: God's character
July 27, 2010 at 7:30 am
@EvF,
1- When the evidence isn't completely conclusive but indicative and you can't eliminate every possible bias or variable, yes.
2- Faith that enough biases have been removed to indicate more truth and reliability then falsity.
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