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RE: The "Cultural Context" Excuse
August 9, 2016 at 7:15 am
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This is why I never liked English class. You could basically write anything, and the teacher might say it's good, or might say it's bad. I liked maths. 2+2 = 4 thanks very much, no stupid discussion.
I remember in English class I submitted one my final projects, and the teacher said, "This is a B". I got one more chance to "improve" it. I asked what I needed to go to get it to an A. She said, "I can't tell you that."
Fuck off! What stupid subject is this? You don't even know what your own criteria is?
So I made it sound more like the kind of drivel she writes. I got an A.
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RE: The "Cultural Context" Excuse
August 9, 2016 at 7:17 am
(August 9, 2016 at 6:54 am)Rhythm Wrote: Still trying to establish that human beings are demi-dragons, eh?
Actually I was talking to Cleverbot some minutes ago and it called me a dragon. Coincidence? I think not!
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RE: The "Cultural Context" Excuse
August 9, 2016 at 9:40 am
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(August 9, 2016 at 7:15 am)robvalue Wrote: This is why I never liked English class. You could basically write anything, and the teacher might say it's good, or might say it's bad. I liked maths. 2+2 = 4 thanks very much, no stupid discussion.
I remember in English class I submitted one my final projects, and the teacher said, "This is a B". I got one more chance to "improve" it. I asked what I needed to go to get it to an A. She said, "I can't tell you that."
Fuck off! What stupid subject is this? You don't even know what your own criteria is?
So I made it sound more like the kind of drivel she writes. I got an A.
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RE: The "Cultural Context" Excuse
August 9, 2016 at 9:56 am
It's also worth noting that I decided to look up the word he insists meant "seduction" in Strong's Concordance. Here's what I found:
nasha'
Pronunciation nä·shä' (Key)
Part of Speech verb
TWOT Reference: 1425
KJV Translation Count — Total: 16x
The KJV translates Strongs H5377 in the following manner: deceive (12x), greatly (1x), beguiled me (1x), seize (1x), utterly (1x).
Outline of Biblical Usage [?]
to beguile, deceive
(Niphal) to be beguiled
(Hiphil) to beguile, deceive
(Qal) utterly (infinitive)
Strong’s Definitions [?](Strong’s Definitions Legend)
נָשָׁא nâshâʼ, naw-shaw'; a primitive root; to lead astray, i.e. (mentally) to delude, or (morally) to seduce:—beguile, deceive, × greatly, × utterly.
It's looking more and more like special pleading for him to insist it means "seduce."
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RE: The "Cultural Context" Excuse
August 9, 2016 at 11:08 am
Meh, it's his porno...he can write in whatever he likes. I prefer the Song of Solomon myself. Translators twist their scrotums trying to make that one anything less than x-rated.
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RE: The "Cultural Context" Excuse
August 9, 2016 at 11:41 am
(August 9, 2016 at 11:08 am)Rhythm Wrote: Meh, it's his porno...he can write in whatever he likes. I prefer the Song of Solomon myself. Translators twist their scrotums trying to make that one anything less than x-rated.
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RE: The "Cultural Context" Excuse
August 9, 2016 at 4:02 pm
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(August 9, 2016 at 9:56 am)Rev. Rye Wrote: It's also worth noting that I decided to look up the word he insists meant "seduction" in Strong's Concordance. Here's what I found:
nasha'
Pronunciation nä·shä' (Key)
Part of Speech verb
TWOT Reference: 1425
KJV Translation Count — Total: 16x
The KJV translates Strongs H5377 in the following manner: deceive (12x), greatly (1x), beguiled me (1x), seize (1x), utterly (1x).
Outline of Biblical Usage [?]
to beguile, deceive
(Niphal) to be beguiled
(Hiphil) to beguile, deceive
(Qal) utterly (infinitive)
Strong’s Definitions [?](Strong’s Definitions Legend)
נָשָׁא nâshâʼ, naw-shaw'; a primitive root; to lead astray, i.e. (mentally) to delude, or (morally) to seduce:—beguile, deceive, × greatly, × utterly.[/b]
It's looking more and more like special pleading for him to insist it means "seduce."
*emphasis mine* (also put the relevant parts in blind-as-bat red)
I guess it was only inevitable for you to make a fool of yourself as people usually tend to do when they have no idea of the subject matter they are discussing.
Also I never insisted anything, I simply stated that 'beguile' and 'seduce' are synonymous, no if and's or but's about that, don't believe me? look in a thesaurus.
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RE: The "Cultural Context" Excuse
August 9, 2016 at 4:13 pm
Aren't you the one claiming that Eve literally had sex with (was seduced by) the serpent-creature/Satan/what-the-fuck-ever? That's hardly the same as being morally seduced, since 'moral seduction' would form a much larger set of possibilities -- e.g., disobedience.
Then again, it's odd that Eve, who had not yet eaten of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, could be morally seduced in any case. Not that I really care. It's not my concern to defend any particular reading of this myth, much less yours.
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RE: The "Cultural Context" Excuse
August 9, 2016 at 4:32 pm
(August 9, 2016 at 4:13 pm)Crossless1 Wrote: Aren't you the one claiming that Eve literally had sex with (was seduced by) the serpent-creature/Satan/what-the-fuck-ever? That's hardly the same as being morally seduced, since 'moral seduction' would form a much larger set of possibilities -- e.g., disobedience. *emphasis mine*
Uh no, it's exactly the same.
What that definition of 'nasha' is saying is that it can be used in a "mental sense" OR in a "moral sense" eg. led astray mentally (deceived), or led astray morally (seduced). Last time I looked, A woman committing Adultery is still considered IMMORAL.
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RE: The "Cultural Context" Excuse
August 9, 2016 at 4:36 pm
(August 9, 2016 at 4:32 pm)Huggy74 Wrote: (August 9, 2016 at 4:13 pm)Crossless1 Wrote: Aren't you the one claiming that Eve literally had sex with (was seduced by) the serpent-creature/Satan/what-the-fuck-ever? That's hardly the same as being morally seduced, since 'moral seduction' would form a much larger set of possibilities -- e.g., disobedience. *emphasis mine*
Uh no, it's exactly the same.
What that definition of 'nasha' is saying is that it can be used in a "mental sense" OR in a "moral sense" eg. led astray mentally (deceived), or led astray morally (seduced). Last time I looked, A woman committing Adultery is still considered IMMORAL.
Presumably, so would a woman disobeying an order from her creator to abstain from eating from the tree of the knowledge of good and evil -- you know, the plainly obvious sense of the story.
You must have some really disturbing psycho-sexual flotsam in your head to insist so vehemently on your pet reading of this story.
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