Sam Harris On Trump........

[Brian37]

Trump is not like Hitler in that Hitler was consistent. Trump is an unknown even to himself I suspect

No he wasn't. Hitler constantly told other countries one thing only to fuck them over later. Trump is stupidly trying to hypocritically use Bush's telegraphing Afghanistan which allowed Bin Laden to get away, but yet running for the same party. Look at his own business failings and scams. Even Sam points that out in the video.  I agree, Trump is an unknown, but that still does not make Hitler predictable. 

The similarities are not in the governments, but the personalities. Both play off of fear and offer a populist message and delusional hyper nationalism.

[abaris]

That's not an answer, abaris. That's an equivocation. If you don't have anything to add back up that statement of yours consider keeping your mouth shut in the future, lest you look an imbecile or something.

Then look at the fucking video at hand, for fucks sake. Look at the fucking interview he gave to Cenk Uygur. If you don't share the opinion of him just being a hot air blaster, fine by me. But don't expect me to go look up every single Harris speech I took issue with. What I gave you here should keep you busy for 210 minutes, if you actually watch the shit.

[Brian37]

OP, what about what Harris said in this clip do you disagree with?

I don't agree with his wording about using torture, that is about the only thing in the clip I disagree with. In the context of war shit happens and war is hell, and I do agree that circumstances to that degree have to be judged conditionally. It does cut to the core of example of the old fat guy on a bridge shoving him off to stop the train. It also reminds me of the episode of MASH where Hawkeye went through the episode with the shrink trying to figure out what was bugging him. You end up finding out that he had been in a cave?, I think, with refugees and the baby kept crying and the North Koreans were close by, and he watched as the mother suffocated the baby to death in order to save everyone else.

Kinda like it was not ideal to murder Mussolini after he was caught, or Gaddaffi after he was caught, but considering you cant judge that as harshly. But to his credit and I agree, he made the point that it is nothing to brag about wanting to do nor should it be a default. 

I don't agree with him about Hillary but again, even then to his credit, he was making the point that between the two, whatever transgressions someone wants to accuse her of, she is nowhere near or close to being that dangerous, and does give her credit for understanding to a great degree global affairs. 

Other than that most of what he said I agree with, especially with calling Trump dangerous.

[Excited Penguin]

That's not an answer, abaris. That's an equivocation. If you don't have anything to add back up that statement of yours consider keeping your mouth shut in the future, lest you look an imbecile or something.

Then look at the fucking video at hand, for fucks sake. Look at the fucking interview he gave to Cenk Uygur. If you don't share the opinion of him just being a hot air blaster, fine by me. But don't expect me to go look up every single Harris speech I took issue with. What I gave you here should keep you busy for 210 minutes, if you actually watch the shit.

I watched that stuff a very long time ago, immediately after it appeared. I think you're more than a little biased in how you understand things if you reached the conclusions you did.

[PETE_ROSE]

Mic drop. Penguin 2.0 out....

[Excited Penguin]

Mic drop.  Penguin 2.0 out....

I don't know what you mean. You mean because I said he could look like an imbecile?

I'm sorry about that. Everyone gets a little nasty sometimes.

[abaris]

I watched that stuff a very long time ago, immediately after it appeared. I think you're more than a little biased in how you understand things if you reached the conclusions you did.

Yeah, you're right. I'm biased because Harris is and emetic to me. Someone stating the very obvious as if it was something sensational, although it's nothing more than a "no shit Sherlok" moment. Endorsing torture under certain circumstances, broad brushing entire cultures, religions or people. Endorsing aggressive war under certain circumstances (look up his essays on Iraq) and generally being so far up the Ivory Tower that he doesn't see what's happening on the ground below.

No, he doesn't speak to me or for me. If you enjoy, be my guest. I certainly won't argue over tastes.

[Excited Penguin]

I watched that stuff a very long time ago, immediately after it appeared. I think you're more than a little biased in how you understand things if you reached the conclusions you did.

Yeah, you're right. I'm biased because Harris is and emetic to me. Someone stating the very obvious as if it was something sensational, although it's nothing more than a "no shit Sherlok" moment. Endorsing torture under certain circumstances, broad brushing entire cultures, religions or people. Endorsing aggressive war under certain circumstances (look up his essays on Iraq) and generally being so far up the Ivory Tower that he doesn't see what's happening on the ground below.

No, he doesn't speak to me or for me. If you enjoy, be my guest. I certainly won't argue over tastes.

Ok, I can understand that. You don't necessarily disagree with him, you're just jealous of him.

Thanks for your honesty.

[abaris]

Ok, I can understand that. You don't necessarily disagree with him, you're just jealous of him.

Thanks for your honesty.

Yeah, and I'm jealous of you because you are able to engage in such a considerate and thoughtful way. I'm not disagreeing with you, since yours is the only possible position on every given topic.

Yeah, you nailed it.

[PETE_ROSE]

That was it. I was on page two. Didn't see there was a page 3. Just struck me funny.