"Teach the Controversy!" Facepalm*

[Amarok]

If you haven't seen this, get ready to rage:

 I'm embarrassed to admit how much of this I actually got through, considering the entirety of the conversation can be summed up as a reoccuring cycle of "show me the evidence"  ... "here's the evidence" ... "nope not evidence, show me the evidence".... "here's other evidence"  ... etc

seriously do you the look in her eyes it's like the lights are on but nobodies home

[ApeNotKillApe]

The glazeyed stare of the indoctrinated.

[Amarok]

The glazeyed stare of the indoctrinated.

Really I see the cross eyed stare of frequent inbreeding

[ApeNotKillApe]

The glazeyed stare of the indoctrinated.

Really I see the cross eyed stare of frequent inbreeding

Probably a correlation between the two stares.

[Amarok]

Really I see the cross eyed stare of frequent inbreeding

Probably a correlation between the two stares.

 
probably

[Jackie]

Creationism gives me ass cancer in my turtle balls.

Oh shut up, you have a foreign sounding name, just convert and speak American. Pay no attention to the orange science denying asshole demagogue behind you. That is just stop and frisk. Hey, rich people can get away with that.

GAWAD BLESS AMERICA! Fuck everyone else.

[Pat Mustard]

  And there is only ONE scientist qualified to speak on it academically who I know of who supports intelligent design.  That is Michael Behe.  During the Dover trial he was forced to admit on the stand that by the definition of "science" he had to use to include intelligent design as being a science, astrology would also be a science.  The study of what kind of day I would have based on the stars in the sky on the day I was born is science.  Intelligent design is textbook special pleading.  We need to lower scientific standards to allow this to be a science because evolution hurts my feelings.

I realized that I forgot to comment about this.

I had not heard this quote;  I have browsed over the conclusions and generals of the Dover case, but haven't really reviewed it all in depth.  Most of it, I didn't find pertaining to Intelligent Design; but the individual case, and I would likely ruled against the school in this case as well.  


However; as to your quote.
Welcome to the problem of the demarcation of Science.   

I was curious, so I looked up the definition that he gave.

Under my definition, a scientific theory is a proposed explanation which focuses or points to physical, observable data and logical inferences.

  I would largely agree with that definition.  (I would encourage you to look up dictionary definitions and compare as well).
But then again, I don't define "science" as what works, or what is true, or based on it's conclusion.   I think that science deals with the method and subject of inquiry.

I don't think that if two groups of scientist are studying the same topic, and come to different conclusions (sometimes from the same experiments), that at least one of them are no longer preforming science (or should not be called scientists.   I also don't think that what was once considered science, because of consensus, suddenly becomes not science, as new information is.  Perhaps the definition may change and things need to be re-evaluated;  but whatever it was, hasn't changed at all.

There are many things throughout the history of science which we now think to be incorrect which nonetheless would fit that -- which would fit that definition. Yes, astrology is in fact one, and so is the ether theory of the propagation of light, and many other -- many other theories as well.

So in saying that it meets the definition; does not mean that it is good science.   I think that the contention could be made, that the inferences made by astrology also don't meet that definition (Behe was mistaken in saying that it did).
In light of this, I find your argument "the stand that by the definition of "science" he had to use to include intelligent design as being a science, astrology would also be a science" to be a little self serving and not entirely accurate.

So to justify your irrational belief in creatardism, you cite as authority a charlatan who not only redifined words solely to give creatardism a fake veneer of scientific plausibility, but eventually had to admit under oath that creatardism doesn't even satisfy his reduced criteria for scientificality?


Well done you!

[RoadRunner79]

[Faith No More]

I'm curious, RoadRunner, if you had to have an organ transplant, would you try and interpret how it's done and tell the doctor your opinion, or would you simply rely on his scientific expertise? Why is it that people that complain about the subjectivity of interpreting science have no problem going to see a medical scientist when they're sick and relying on their expertise? If you had to have knee surgery, would you rely on an astrophysicist to do it?

[Whateverist]

I'm curious, RoadRunner, if you had to have an organ transplant, would you try and interpret how it's done and tell the doctor your opinion, or would you simply rely on his scientific expertise?  Why is it that people that complain about the subjectivity of interpreting science have no problem going to see a medical scientist when they're sick and relying on their expertise?  If you had to have knee surgery, would you rely on an astrophysicist to do it?

.. or just ask the local congregation to pray for him?