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RE: Victim Blaming?
September 21, 2016 at 4:08 am
(September 21, 2016 at 3:51 am)Alasdair Ham Wrote: (September 20, 2016 at 10:19 pm)Arkilogue Wrote: If anything I should apologize for my ideological inebriation....I'm sorry 
LOL that's a new one!!!
At least novelty counts for something....and are not the protagonists "better" for successfully defeating the protagonist?
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RE: Victim Blaming?
September 21, 2016 at 4:10 am
You are just using fancy labels to describe perfectly ordinary things though 
So yes, ideologically inebriated indeed.
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RE: Victim Blaming?
September 21, 2016 at 4:50 am
(September 20, 2016 at 10:37 pm)Arkilogue Wrote: (September 20, 2016 at 2:08 pm)Losty Wrote: That's silly. You don't owe anyone an apology. If someone means something they should state it in an at least somewhat comprehensible way. The op, to me, was fine. Ark said things like "she may as well blame the sun for burning her skin". There's no amount of twisting that can make a statement like that acceptable in reference to a rape victim. It was an extreme and unskillful example and the point I was trying to make is that rapists occur naturally and are a part of the environment around us. There will always* be those who are predatory to the public at large and rape is another form of stealing only what is stolen cannot be given back. It's energetic theft by physical breaking and entering another persons body.
There are reasonable precautions that can be taken to avoid getting burned and drinking/staying out too long is like reducing the SPF of your skin. Drinking for the rapist increases chance of solar flare which sun block won't help against.
It was a terrible analogy and unskillful presentation, I can imagine a reaction of "to hell with this asshole, I'll drink as much as I want!" and so the branch bears bad fruit with poisonous result, must be cut of and thrown in the mulch heap.
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Victim Blaming?
September 21, 2016 at 8:05 am
(September 20, 2016 at 10:19 pm)Arkilogue Wrote: (September 20, 2016 at 1:24 pm)LadyForCamus Wrote: If that is the case, then I owe them both an apology.
@EP: That was my intention.
@LFC: You don't own me anything! If anything I should apologize for my ideological inebriation....I'm sorry
No worries, Ark. I understand your meaning. Personal responsibility is a real thing. I don't think any woman, or any reasonable person for that matter, would argue against it. Acknowledging the consequences of our actions is how we learn. People who refuse to own their mistakes typically go on to make similar types of mistakes over and over, which is not a very effective way to go through life. My point (that Tibs did such a good job describing) is that saying, "wow, you really shouldn't have done that," AFTER the lousy decision has already been made doesn't accomplish anything. My answer to that would be, "Well no shit, Sherlock! A lot of good that does me now!"
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RE: Victim Blaming?
September 21, 2016 at 8:11 pm
"Don't go into that thread, mama. Don't do it."
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RE: Victim Blaming?
September 21, 2016 at 8:57 pm
(September 21, 2016 at 8:11 pm)Mamacita Wrote: "Don't go into that thread, mama. Don't do it."
Walks in.
Nope. Walks back out.
+1
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September 21, 2016 at 9:11 pm
(September 21, 2016 at 8:57 pm)Tres Leches Wrote: (September 21, 2016 at 8:11 pm)Mamacita Wrote: "Don't go into that thread, mama. Don't do it."
Walks in.
Nope. Walks back out.
+1
You have to choose your battles and I'm not choosing this one.
Wise decisions by both ladies involved. Bravo!
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RE: Victim Blaming?
September 23, 2016 at 7:11 pm
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(September 18, 2016 at 7:42 pm)BrokenQuill92 Wrote: Can we as a society stop pretending that saying "You shouldn't get blackout wasted." is somehow victim blaming? I'm not saying if you get totally smashed you getting raped is your fault. However going out and getting blackout drunk does put yourself at risk. And not drinking to excess does minimize risk if you're aware of what's going on around you. That being said rape is no one's fault but the rapist. But let's stop pretending that telling people to drink responsibly is this awful thing.
I agree totally. I've posted before saying that a person should take precautions to make it less likely that they would be a victim of rape and got shouted down. Maybe I should have changed my religious views to atheist and I would have got some agreement.
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September 23, 2016 at 7:49 pm
(September 23, 2016 at 7:11 pm)Lek Wrote: (September 18, 2016 at 7:42 pm)BrokenQuill92 Wrote: Can we as a society stop pretending that saying "You shouldn't get blackout wasted." is somehow victim blaming? I'm not saying if you get totally smashed you getting raped is your fault. However going out and getting blackout drunk does put yourself at risk. And not drinking to excess does minimize risk if you're aware of what's going on around you. That being said rape is no one's fault but the rapist. But let's stop pretending that telling people to drink responsibly is this awful thing.
I agree totally. I've posted before saying that a person should take precautions to make it less likely that they would be a victim of rape and got shouted down. Maybe I should have changed my religious views to atheist and I would have got some agreement.
No one in this entire thread has said that it's an "awful thing" to educate young women on how to stay safe, including drinking responsibly.
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RE: Victim Blaming?
October 1, 2016 at 3:40 am
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(September 21, 2016 at 8:05 am)LadyForCamus Wrote: (September 20, 2016 at 10:19 pm)Arkilogue Wrote: @EP: That was my intention.
@LFC: You don't own me anything! If anything I should apologize for my ideological inebriation....I'm sorry
No worries, Ark. I understand your meaning. Personal responsibility is a real thing. I don't think any woman, or any reasonable person for that matter, would argue against it. Acknowledging the consequences of our actions is how we learn. People who refuse to own their mistakes typically go on to make similar types of mistakes over and over, which is not a very effective way to go through life. My point (that Tibs did such a good job describing) is that saying, "wow, you really shouldn't have done that," AFTER the lousy decision has already been made doesn't accomplish anything. My answer to that would be, "Well no shit, Sherlock! A lot of good that does me now!"
I grew up a fairly sheltered and naive young lady in a safe, cozy town with a loving family. As a result, most of the tough lessons in life have had to be slapped into me pretty hard. [emoji57]
How has that been? As in, how abrupt was the sea change in perception any time a life lesson had to slap you properly in the face due to your advantaged upbringing? What does that -feel- like?
Quote:No one in this entire thread has said that it's an "awful thing" to educate young women on how to stay safe, including drinking responsibly.
Hmn? Well...I'll say it. Let women make terrible, terrible alcohol related "mistakes". It's good for them, it's good for everybody, lol.
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