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RE: christian school project
October 3, 2016 at 3:58 pm
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(October 3, 2016 at 3:21 pm)lighthouse Wrote: This is for a school project to post a christian post on an atheist site and answer questions or reply to comments. Please be mature and give feedback. 
Q: If God is a God of love, why would he create humans knowing the mass majority would end up in hell?
A: God is indeed a God of love. He loves all of his creations yet holds humanity among his favourite and loves them more than the others. First and foremost he created us with the gift of freewill. He gave us a perfect earth with no death or sickness. It was all just sex, good food, beautiful views, and tame animals. God had a very personal relationship with Adam and Eve. He didn’t force them into loving him back. He gave them an escape button. They took it. He is always chasing after our hearts and only wants us to chase after his heart. His love is not forced and he gives us an option. Think of it as you have 5 children. Three of them will end up addicted to drugs and being thrown into prison for stealing and murder. The other two will solve world hunger, cure cancer, and lead the nations with strong morality. You have a choice to kill them all or raise them all. God chooses to raise them all up with the same amount of love and chances to love him back. Only two choose to love him back and let him pure his knowledge and supernatural love into and the other two rejected him yet he was still with them even if they couldn’t see.
Hi and welcome to the forums.
So many problems in your post, not sure where to start...
First of all, to claim that your god is a god of love, requires one to ignore an awful lot of the actions attributed to said god in the Bible.
But let's look at the supposed option you claim that the god gives us:
Quote:His love is not forced and he gives us an option
It is no different than the 'option' given by Mafia bosses to those that need to pay him "protection" or have their business wrecked.
Mafia boss - "This is a real nice store you have. Be a shame to have it come to any harm. All you have to do is pay me $100 a week, and I'll see to it that it is protected".
God - "That's a real nice soul you have there. Be a shame to have it punished for eternity. All you have to do is believe I exist, ask me for forgiveness, and worship me, and I'll protect it from harm".
How are either of the above a true option?
The only difference is, it can be proven that the Mafia boss exists, and that the punishment for making the wrong choice is not eternal.
The worst possible universe I can imagine, is one where the Bible god actually exists.
You'd believe if you just opened your heart" is a terrible argument for religion. It's basically saying, "If you bias yourself enough, you can convince yourself that this is true." If religion were true, people wouldn't need faith to believe it -- it would be supported by good evidence.
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RE: christian school project
October 3, 2016 at 4:02 pm
(October 3, 2016 at 3:53 pm)KevinM1 Wrote: I see a really terrible analogy in the provided answer.
If I squint, I also see a duck.
you have a better one?
I like ducks
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RE: christian school project
October 3, 2016 at 4:07 pm
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(October 3, 2016 at 3:53 pm)lighthouse Wrote: (October 3, 2016 at 3:49 pm)Rhythm Wrote: Our feedback to what, I see a question and it's answer. What is it that you're here to get, specifically? What are you supposed to supply for this project, what is our contribution in that supposed to be?
questions or comments on what you think about the question or answer
Ah, in that case....
Quote:Q: If God is a God of love, why would he create humans knowing the mass majority would end up in hell?
b-mine
I think that an answer to the bolded bit would be required to answer the question which follows it. Any answer without resolution on the bolded bit is pure speculation as to the motivations of an un-evidenced and completely foreign being.
Quote:A: God is indeed a God of love.
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I don't believe you, nor can my conscience sign onboard to an escape button for the consequences of our misdeeds, as related by the story. If god is, firstly, and if god is the god of love...secondly, and if this is gods expression of that love I cannot and must not accept. What else can be said?
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RE: christian school project
October 3, 2016 at 4:12 pm
Hello welcome 
I've read all about Yahweh and nothing about him strikes me as loving at all. He's a fascist dictator.
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RE: christian school project
October 3, 2016 at 4:13 pm
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(October 3, 2016 at 3:21 pm)lighthouse Wrote: This is for a school project to post a christian post on an atheist site and answer questions or reply to comments. Please be mature and give feedback.
Q: If God is a God of love, why would he create humans knowing the mass majority would end up in hell?
A: God is indeed a God of love. He loves all of his creations yet holds humanity among his favourite and loves them more than the others. First and foremost he created us with the gift of freewill. He gave us a perfect earth with no death or sickness. It was all just sex, good food, beautiful views, and tame animals. God had a very personal relationship with Adam and Eve. He didn’t force them into loving him back. He gave them an escape button. They took it. He is always chasing after our hearts and only wants us to chase after his heart. His love is not forced and he gives us an option. Think of it as you have 5 children. Three of them will end up addicted to drugs and being thrown into prison for stealing and murder. The other two will solve world hunger, cure cancer, and lead the nations with strong morality. You have a choice to kill them all or raise them all. God chooses to raise them all up with the same amount of love and chances to love him back. Only two choose to love him back and let him pure his knowledge and supernatural love into and the other two rejected him yet he was still with them even if they couldn’t see.
I believe you to be a POE but I'll play along for a little while.
Learn how to spell favorite.
If your god is the all knowing god of the bible and knows what will happen from the beginning of time until the end, minute by minute, then free will is only an illusion. You can only act/take action as god has foreseen. So either you are fooling yourself about free will or that god never existed.
Provide evidence that the earth and all within it was perfect. This is just another delusion.
I don't understand why you believe in a god that condemns most of his creation. Unless you believe that you are in that small group of specials. You will be rewarded but the rest will punished. What do you think your odds are? Before you reply, remember Noah. What were the rest of that populations odds? What a marvelous plan for an all powerful god.
Your statement: " God chooses to raise them all up with the same amount of love and chances to love him back." Again, Noah. Killed all but his special few.
What makes you think that god provides love or morality when in his name, and at his direction, men, women and children are abused and killed, whole nations are wiped out, slavery is condoned, rape for pay is allowed, ....................
Work on your math. 5 does not equal 2 + 2 unless one of them is your god. You make me weep for the future.
Everything you have said is a fantasy delusion. A society accepted delusion (at this time) but a delusion none the less. Man made stories, no more or less than Star Wars.
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RE: christian school project
October 3, 2016 at 4:15 pm
(October 3, 2016 at 3:58 pm)Simon Moon Wrote: Hi and welcome to the forums.
So many problems in your post, not sure where to start...
First of all, to claim that your god is a god of love, requires one to ignore an awful lot of the actions attributed to said god in the Bible.
But let's look at the supposed option you claim that the god gives us:
Quote:His love is not forced and he gives us an option
It is no different than the 'option' given by Mafia bosses to those that need to pay him "protection" or have their business wrecked.
Mafia boss - "This is a real nice store you have. Be a shame to have it come to any harm. All you have to do is pay me $100 a week, and I'll see to it that it is protected".
God - "That's a real nice soul you have there. Be a shame to have it punished for eternity. All you have to do is believe I exist, ask me for forgiveness, and worship me, and I'll protect it from harm".
How are either of the above a true option?
The only difference is, it can be proven that the Mafia boss exists, and that the punishment for making the wrong choice is not eternal.
The worst possible universe I can imagine, is one where the Bible god actually exists.
You completely missed the point of love. An arranged marriage vs a marriage where both parties consent and are madly in love with each other. One is fake love the other is real. He wants you to choose him but wont force you. Hell is simply a place where God is not. since God is love and everything good in existence, Hell must be the opposite. You choose where to go he doesn't throw you into hell you walk there by your own accord.
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RE: christian school project
October 3, 2016 at 4:16 pm
(October 3, 2016 at 3:21 pm)lighthouse Wrote: This is for a school project to post a christian post on an atheist site and answer questions or reply to comments. Please be mature and give feedback.
Q: If God is a God of love, why would he create humans knowing the mass majority would end up in hell?
A: God is indeed a God of love. He loves all of his creations yet holds humanity among his favourite and loves them more than the others. First and foremost he created us with the gift of freewill. He gave us a perfect earth with no death or sickness. It was all just sex, good food, beautiful views, and tame animals. God had a very personal relationship with Adam and Eve. He didn’t force them into loving him back. He gave them an escape button. They took it. He is always chasing after our hearts and only wants us to chase after his heart. His love is not forced and he gives us an option. Think of it as you have 5 children. Three of them will end up addicted to drugs and being thrown into prison for stealing and murder. The other two will solve world hunger, cure cancer, and lead the nations with strong morality. You have a choice to kill them all or raise them all. God chooses to raise them all up with the same amount of love and chances to love him back. Only two choose to love him back and let him pure his knowledge and supernatural love into and the other two rejected him yet he was still with them even if they couldn’t see. I have 3 questions for you:
1. Do you believe in Evolution or you're creationist?
2. What is your denomination?
3. Does your pastor know where you are?
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RE: christian school project
October 3, 2016 at 4:19 pm
Hold on here. Please define love in your own words. That may be a better starting point.
I don't believe you. Get over it.
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RE: christian school project
October 3, 2016 at 4:24 pm
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(October 3, 2016 at 3:45 pm)lighthouse Wrote: In order for me to correct your misunderstanding or to even acknowledge it, I have to see your take on the passage. My take on it however, is that after the fall of man war was a way of life. It was how you kept your people alive and grew your empire. Game of Thrones in real life. None of the other nations offered peace nor mercy and the fact that Jews did that was very different. Now if peace was not accepted then killing anyone able to fight back and keeping the ones unable alive was the logical and moral way of doing war. And if peace was kept, maintaining the idea of supremacy over the people was a way to keep them from rebelling. Jews also treated their servants well unlike how the Egyptians treated them lol.
As for this response, is a warring way of life good reason for your bible to tell people to rape and slaughter innocents?
I present to you Isaiah 13:15-18
Quote:15 Every one that is found shall be thrust through; and every one that is joined unto them shall fall by the sword.
16 Their children also shall be dashed to pieces before their eyes; their houses shall be spoiled, and their wives ravished.
17 Behold, I will stir up the Medes against them, which shall not regard silver; and as for gold, they shall not delight in it.
18 Their bows also shall dash the young men to pieces; and they shall have no pity on the fruit of the womb; their eyes shall not spare children.
I'm really confused about what love means now.
I don't believe you. Get over it.
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RE: christian school project
October 3, 2016 at 4:25 pm
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I don't believe you, nor can my conscience sign onboard to an escape button for the consequences of our misdeeds, as related by the story. If god is, firstly, and if god is the god of love...secondly, and if this is gods expression of that love I cannot and must not accept. What else can be said?
To be forced to live a certain way is not love. You have no evidence that wind exists you only have evidence of what effect it has and how it feels and that is exactly like God. You can see the impact he has had on other people's lives that they devote their whole lives to him and if you ever meet someone with the passion for him you will be able to feel him as well. He has not showed you any hate and your eyes are not open to his love so how would you accept.
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