(October 27, 2016 at 4:12 pm)Mariosep Wrote: It is now in my location as I write this message, 04:05 a.m. and Mathilda has not yet replied to my post above.

I've just woken up. You expect me to be replying to you at 4am?

But please quote properly and don't format the font and change the size otherwise the tags litter the post for everyone else. For example, I have done the same to this post to demonstrate . You must have deliberately mangled up that previous post by copying everything into it and getting rid of the quote tags.If you want someone to respond to you, make it easy for them to do so.

You are also just repeating what I have already answered so I don't know what I am supposed to reply to.

Anyway, getting ready to go to work now.

Your "proof" is trash, bro. It's the same thing we see around here all the time.

"Blah blah first cause blah blah god of the gaps blah blah Pascal's wager."

Pass. Spin. Click. Repeat.

(October 27, 2016 at 3:17 pm)Mariosep Wrote: God in concept is first and foremost the creator and operator of the uninverse and man and everything with a beginning.

How do we prove that there is an entity in objective reality of existence corresponding to the concept?[/size]

Already answered

(October 27, 2016 at 5:47 am)Mathilda Wrote: If we can't measure it or something affected by it somehow then we can't demonstrate that it exists, yet alone prove.

Anything else is mere speculation or hypothesis.

(October 27, 2016 at 6:16 am)Mathilda Wrote:

(October 27, 2016 at 6:03 am)Mariosep Wrote: That is very good. But pray, what is the it you are not capable of measuring or demonstrating that it exists, does it have a name?

The it being anything that can't be measured. Whether it is God, space unicorns, a soul, ghosts or non-corporeal hyper-dimensional waffle makers.

If it has no discernible effect on reality then you can't prove that it exists.

(October 27, 2016 at 5:06 pm)Asmodee Wrote: I have replied.  If you don't want to talk to me, I'm actually okay with that.  But don't pretend I'm the one who walked away.

Mariosep is doing the same with me.

Repeating the same questions, ignoring the responses and then saying that I am the one who has walked away.

(October 27, 2016 at 6:03 am)Mariosep Wrote: But pray, what is the it you are not capable of measuring or demonstrating that it exists, does it have a name?

You were the first person to refer to an 'it' in the quote below. Now you're asking me to define what 'it' is.

(October 27, 2016 at 5:47 am)Mathilda Wrote:

(October 27, 2016 at 5:43 am)Mariosep Wrote: What about something that is beyond our direct experience, How do we prove that it exists or it does not exist in objective reality outside of concepts in our mind?

If we can't measure it or something affected by it somehow then we can't demonstrate that it exists, yet alone prove.

Anything else is mere speculation or hypothesis.

Dear colleague Mathilda, first forgive me, but I am not conversant with the formatting codes here, I am more conversant with vBulletin; or simply I am not skillful here at all, unlike with the system of vBulletin. The system used here is MyBB.
 
Next, please again try to accept my intention to be nice with atheists here, I hope you notice that I don't use language like the following:

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Here is my standing reply to all jesus freaks:
GO BLOW JESUS OUT YOUR ASS!

 
I'm beginning to regret Mariosepsis mother's conception.
 

Your "proof" is trash, bro. It's the same thing we see around here all the time.
"Blah blah first cause blah blah god of the gaps blah blah Pascal's wager."
Pass. Spin. Click. Repeat.

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About my attempts to get us linked as to understand each other's thoughts, may I suggest that we ask each other questions which by answering them we will get to know what we are communicating to each other.


First, the thread is about my proof for the existence of God, in concept as first and foremost the creator and operator of the universe and man and everything with a beginning.

That is a thought in my mind, it has to do with a concept.

Now, perhaps you will say that I am getting what? corny or patronizing toward you?

Amway, is there something you cannot understand in this message, anything at all; let us just now not come to proof of God existing or not existing, but just what you might not understand any of the lines in this message.

Or you want to ask me questions, please do so.

Mariosep, what is a god?

(October 28, 2016 at 3:19 am)Mariosep Wrote: Dear colleague Mathilda, first forgive me, but I am not conversant with the formatting codes here, I am more conversant with vBulletin; or simply I am not skillful here at all, unlike with the system of vBulletin. The system used here is MyBB.

If you're not familiar with the formatting here, the correct course of action would be to spend as much time as we have reading this god forsaken thread to familiarize yourself with it. It should not take longer than an hour, if that. This is common courtesy. How do you expect to have a conversation with someone if you don't know their language?

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Hypothetically speaking, Mariosep;

If other universes are a reality and some being from a universe other than our own was the entity responsible for creating our universe, would you consider that being to be god?

A god in concept of course is a superior entity that people pray to for help.

But if you will, please see the Finnish Dictionary of Atheism for a good write-up on god.

Here, I will give you the link:
http://www.dlc.fi/%7Eetkirja/dictionary.htm


But and please forgive me, are you a native in an English speaking country, I am not but in my country English is used everywhere.

Tell me, you know about Santa Claus, atheists love to make fun of God; notice the capital G?

By equating God with Santa, Bertrand Russell has taught atheists to make fun of God with ridiculous analogies; and I see he started the trend, he proposed that God is like an orbiting teapot in space, and from there atheists take up with flying spaghetti monster, invisible pink unicorn, etc.

So, I have in my mind the thought of the concept of God, namely, that in concept God is first and foremost the creator and operator of the universe and man and everything with a beginning.

That is no proof for His existence, but with that concept we can proceed to the reality of existence outside our mind. to search for all instances of causation which are evidence of the existence and operation of God, in concept first and foremost the creator and operator of the universe and man and everything with a beginning.

Well, I am or should I be astonished that you do not have any idea of god at all?

And also please do not change the font or font size, otherwise we're faced with text like this when quoting you: