I am a theist, what do you think of my proof for God existing?

[Simon Moon]

You see, dear atheist colleagues, in the OP I am trying to lead you step by step: to come to the certainty of the existence of God in objective reality outside of concepts in our mind.

And it has been pointed out to you many times, that your 'proof' is logically flawed.

Your 'proof' does not lead, step by step, toward any level of certainty that a god exists. It fails on every level.

Today I will invite you instead to lead me step by step: to come to the certainty God does not exist in objective reality outside of concepts in our mind.

And there it is...

Yet another logical fallacy. This one, 'Dear' Mariosep, is called "strawman".

It is also passing the burden of proof. The burden of proof is all yours, dear boy.

Atheism is not the claim that gods do not exist. Atheism is the disbelief in the claims of theists who assert that a god does exist.

But I have no real hope you will understand the difference.

[ApeNotKillApe]

To quote me:

If you did somehow prove God's existence to me it would inherently falsify the entire Christian doctrine of salvation through faith. Motherfucker.

[Pat Mustard]

The obvious truth of all of the, so called, philosophical argument for the existence of a god (cosmological, teleological, ontological, TAG, etc), is that they only exist to convince the believer that they have a rational reason to believe in gods. They are not designed to convince nonbelievers.

<puts on smoking jacket and inserts monocle>Indubitably my good sir! Indubitably.<industrially smokes from pipe>

[I_am_not_mafia]

Hey Mariosep, why not post your so called proof once more so we can all read it

[Pat Mustard]

<tl;dr> god exists because this small corner of the interwebs is not very well visited.

And that proves god exists, how? It's not like we're trying to become the new TV Tropes.

[Mariosep]

[ Reproduced from the end of the present post]
Dear atheist colleagues, I am presently reading all your posts from #400 onward, and I see one or two of you to mention causation; so I will examine your thinking, and report here again.
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Thanks dear atheist colleagues for your presence and contribution to my thread.

I am asking you to lead me step by step as I am trying to do with you, step by step bring you to the certainty of God existing - in your case, bring me to God certainly not existing.

Because you see yourselves to be good at convincing starting with yourselves, God does not exist in objective reality outside of concepts in our mind.

So far at this point in time, dear atheist colleagues, I do not see any step by step efforts from your part to lead me to certainty, that God does not exist in objective reality outside of concepts in our mind.

I will just presume as in presumption of innocence but in our context, of certainty, that you have at least succeeded to lead yourselves step by step, from the concept of God in your mind, succeeded to lead yourselves step by step to certainty that God does not exist in objective reality outside of the concept in your mind, and wherefore you can justifiably label yourselves as atheists.

Next, I have not seen any proof from any of you, dear atheist colleagues here, of anything to be existing at all, from concept to object, that is deserving of publication even just in a grade school campus paper: so I guess you cannot even by way of an exercise to sharpen your skill in thinking on truths, facts, logic, and with the assist of the history of ideas from mankind past and present and also predicted for the future, by scientific speculation fashion a concept of something, any entity with your mind of course, and from that concept you go forth into objective reality to search for its existence outside of the concept in your mind: AND arrive at certainty that there is no entity in objective reality corresponding to the concept in your mind, OR yes there is!

As regards the nose in our face, I have already started with that to show you what proving something to exist is all about, first with things that are within our access by way of our external senses, like sight and hearing and smell and taste and touch: it is by direct experience of each one in a group, touching in the present context, the nose in our face, and then touching the nose by everyone of everyone's else nose: in that way we prove the nose to exist in our face.

That is very simple with things which are accessible to our external senses, but what about things which are thinkable in our mind, i.e. concepts, how do we prove there be objects in the objective reality of existence, corresponding to their concepts in our mind, or there be none?

No, I find no one among you, dear atheist colleagues, having any inkling of such a thought as how to prove from concept to object, the existence of something in objective reality, starting with just the concept in your mind.

In my case I have presented my proof of God existing, proving from concept to object, see page 1, just click on page 1 and the OP will come forth on your monitor screen, showing step by step procedure, by which I have a concept of God in my mind, and I go forth into the objective reality of existence outside of my mind to look for all instances of the presence and action of God, corresponding to the concept of God in my mind, namely, in concept God is first and foremost the creator and operator of the universe and man and everything with a beginning.


You gripe continually that I am not paying attention to your refutation whatever of my proof of God existing, you know why?

Because it is all if any refutation at all in your mind: go into research i.e. investigation in the objective reality of existence, for evidence that there is no way any God can be existing in objective reality outside of your mind.

That is the misapprehension in your heart and mind that just thinking all in your mind with words and concepts. you can already refute God to be non-existant in objective reality of existence outside, merely by your MANIPULATION of words and concepts all in your mind.


Dear atheist colleagues, I am presently reading all your posts from #400 onward, and I see one or two of you to mention causation; so I will examine your thinking, and report here again.

I will put the paragraph above at the top of this message, so that you will not be griping again that I talk a lot but do not attend to your posts I mean your thinking.

[Astreja]

Next, I have not seen any proof from any of you...

Then you clearly have not actually read our replies or looked at the photographs and videos we provided.  You came here only to spam your delusion and boast about the wisdom that you clearly do not possess.
Ngayong gabi sa iyong mga pangarap ay makikita mo magparatang ng hindi totoo ang Banal na Espiritu at mawala ang iyong kaligtasan.

[pocaracas]

Next, I have not seen any proof from any of you, dear atheist colleagues here, of anything to be existing at all, from concept to object

Of course not.
That's not how things work.

We discover objects in reality and then form an abstract concept of it in our minds.
The nose was in existence far before any human gave it a description.

[Simon Moon]

I am asking you to lead me step by step as I am trying to do with you, step by step bring you to the certainty of God existing - in your case, bring me to God certainly not existing.

Because you see yourselves to be good at convincing starting with yourselves, God does not exist in objective reality outside of concepts in our mind.

Nope.

Still not correct.

I do not claim, with absolute certainty, that a god does not exist. I disbelieve that a god does exist.

It is not up to us to prove that your god does not exist, it is up to you to prove that it does.

Here's the way it works; theists claim at least one god exists. They (you) are the ones that have the burden of proof. It is up to you to provide the evidence and reasoned argument that a god exists, and if I am convinced, I will no longer be an atheist.

Logical 'proofs' are not evidence.

In response to your request that we provide proof that atoms exist, you have been provided actual evidence, not a logical 'proof'.

Now, it is time for you to put up or shut up.

Can you provide the same level of evidence for the existence of atoms, for your god?

[I_am_not_mafia]

Mariosep. Give us a logical proof that you exist.