I am a theist, what do you think of my proof for God existing?

[Arkilogue]

Incidentally, creation ex nihilo...

Not possible due to the equivalence of matter and energy.  A god cannot create matter/energy from nothingness -- They have to exist first, independent of the god, or the god is eternally powerless.

Ever hear of Shakti?

[Mariosep]

Thanks dear readers for your presence.


My purpose at this point in time is to see whether Simon Moon can do his own thinking instead of going to textbooks, and also to find out what he has learned from his own experiences in life, by the use of his reason and intelligence, instead of going to textbooks.

In brief, does the man have any insights from his own experiences in life – experiences, that is the consciousness of existence in the totality of reality [which is existence], namely: experiences in life.

Up to the present he cannot get what I am into, still asking me what is my point; because he is accustomed to go to textbooks, that is why he misses the point all the time in this thread, which is about proof of God from the evidence of causation like of a baby which he has never today experienced of procreating with a woman, from the baby's papa and mama – woe, instead he can only think of molecules which to him are the causation origin of babies, not the babies’ papas and mamas.

Let him tell that to his papa and mama.


Dear Simon Moon, please read the ANNEX below, the texts I put in bold.

And cease and desist already from neglecting to state that your papa and mama caused your coming to existence and life, explicitly say that to the world, not just agreeing that you came through causation, and then worst, that molecules caused your existence and life.

If you cannot find my point in your textbooks, here is my point, namely, that from your experiences in life which make up what I submit is the core of man's conscious existence, experiences in life, man infers to the existence of God, in concept as first and foremost the creator and operator of the universe and man and everything with a beginning; imagine a guy never ever having experiences whatsoever, is such a guy at all existing as a living human?

Again: from thinking on experiences man has come to the conclusion that there exists an entity which is the first and ultimate cause of all subsequent causations and all effects, effects such babies which their papas and mamas cause to come to existence and life; yes, by participating in the causation from the entity I call God, the first and ultimate cause of the universe and man and everything with a beginning.

Do you Simon get the point? Or are you going to textbooks to find out how my point is covered by one or another of the fallacies in your textbooks, of course after looking up your textbooks on mammalian reproductions?

If you keep bringing up molecules to be your papa and mama, molecules to which you attribute your procreation cause, then next time you fill up a form on your biodata and curriculum vitae, on the item parents, instead of the names of your papa and mama, write the word, molecules.

Do you now get my point, it is rather extensive but very clear, namely, do not ever insist anymore that molecules are the cause of your coming to existence and life, and not your papa and mama.

Look up your textbooks, there must be a fallacy of heart and mind somewhere in them textbooks, by which fallacy unthinking folks attribute to inanimate molecules their causation origin to existence and life, not God and not their papas and mamas; but WHY?

Elementary, because of their spite against God and their papas and mamas, that is why.

ANNEX

Yes, it is causation.

Please, get your point already.

RE: I am a theist, what do you think of my proof for God existing? ________________________


Addressing readers here:

Take notice dear readers here, that Simon Moon depends a lot on textbooks and not his own thinking based on his experiences in life, and grounding himself on truths, facts, logic, and the history of ideas.


Back to Simon Moon:

But you know, Simon,  that your papa and mama procreated you by their causation of you through their procreative sexual reproduction causation process, starting with genital copulation and completing the process with your mama delivery of you from and through her portal, where she launched you forth into the world of existence and life outside her womb.
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Now, let us you and me talk about causation.

Is that causation or not, the sexual production by your papa and mama whereby they brought you forth into the world of existence and life?

Please do not bring up textbooks, you know that textbooks change frequently, and the authors of textbooks are not the best adequate authorities in real time, even in the subjects they write on in their textbooks.

We want to read something of and from your own thinking, on your experiences and contacts with life, grounding yourself on truths, facts, logic, and the history of ideas, in particular your life with your parents and siblings and of course all humans who ever come into contact with you, not only of your manipulation of words and concepts all in your brain – and not all the time what your read from textbooks.

So, please answer my question:

Is that causation or not, the sexual production by your papa and mama whereby they brought you forth into the world of existence and life?


Dear readers here, I know you are here, even though you don't transmit posts.

Thanks for following this thread of mine.

[Arkilogue]

I was totally launched into the universe out of my human mother's womb portal like the godblessed Rocket Man!

[Whateverist]

Thanks dear readers for your presence.


My purpose at this point in time is ..

I strongly doubt anyone really cares what follows these words any more than I do.

[Simon Moon]

Is that causation or not, the sexual production by your papa and mama whereby they brought you forth into the world of existence and life?

Asked many times, and answered every time.

Yes, the act of reproduction is the cause of offspring being born.

You might be the most intellectually dishonest theist we've ever has here, and that is saying a lot.

I know that I have been trolled of dozens of pagers already, but I seriously want to see where Mariosep's flawed thinking is leading.

Seriously, get to the point.

[Tonus]

I think he's trying to say that God fucked a black hole and (big) BANG!!!: a universe was born.

[Whateverist]

Cuz who would ever have thought of that? Must be a real genius.

[Astreja]

Ever hear of Shakti?

I have, and did a bit of reading research to refresh My memory.  I have no quarrel with the concept of primordial energy, although I don't think anthropomorphizing it and worshipping it is a particularly good idea.

[Astreja]

Or quit simply pure matter/energy in a unified state IS the God and God spreads out to make space for matter and energy to have movement aka "time".

"Nihilo" was what was created. A nothing space for something other than overwhelming GOD to have an independent existence and move.

That's an interesting way of looking at it.  Could that be considered a form of pantheism?

[Arkilogue]

Or quit simply pure matter/energy in a unified state IS the God and God spreads out to make space for matter and energy to have movement aka "time".

"Nihilo" was what was created. A nothing space for something other than overwhelming GOD to have an independent existence and move.

That's an interesting way of looking at it.  Could that be considered a form of pantheism?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Panentheism

Panentheism (meaning "all-in-God", from the Ancient Greek πᾶν pân, "all", ἐν en, "in" and Θεός Theós, "God") is the belief that the divine interpenetrates every part of the universe and also extends beyond time and space. Unlike pantheism, which holds that the divine and the universe are identical,[1] panentheism maintains a distinction between the divine and non-divine and the significance of both.[2]

My version: God spreads out it's qualities within/as the universe and exists whole/undifferentiated/unified outside the universe.

God is like an infinite particle (no outer border), the universe would be it's waveform expression with a finite border in time and space.


Here's an instructive img