Why Trump has won

[GrandizerII]

Hillary Clinton lost a popularity contest to a rapist. That is fantastic.

Not true. She's leading in the popular votes. But she still loses because of the EC.

http://www.npr.org/sections/thetwo-way/2...vote-tally

[Napoléon]

Bigots were already there. There's been bigotry in America, there's never been a time when there was not bigotry in America in some form. There were always bigots who were going to vote for Trump whatever political climate we live in.

What I think has swayed it, and I think this is why we're seeing the rise of this horrible alt-right movement across The West, is that we have a Left-wing who are alienating and failing people who would support them by abandoning their traditional principles.

The elephant in the room here, imo at least, is The Left. When you have this SJW culture who are on a crusade of "this is my opinion. You're going to agree and agree 100% or you're a bigot who belongs with Trump", you shrink the space for people who are caught between that and the Trump-like far-right. You have certain groups and individuals who would normally vote left, but they feel so alienated by this screaming radical Left that Trump honestly looks more appealing.

I know right now that me just pointing that out will get some of this lots' backs up, who will read what I've just wrote as me being "alt-right", even though I've consistently made posts on this forum expressing firmly leftist views.

I think Trump like so many other people on the alt-right, by appropriating traditionally leftist language of "rights" and "freedoms", appeals to people who are very concerned about encroaching Islamism post-Orlando and Paris. Why is "gays for Trump" a thing? Because what I saw with my own eyes as a gay man post-Orlando was a pathetic weak Left, who were scared to name the problem of anti-gay bigotry within Islam. They really drop the ball on this, and allow people like Trump to come into that space and, instead of critiquing religion in a nuanced and liberal way, to just say they want to ban all Muslims from America. While that is totally illiberal and deplorable, it sounds good to scared people who the Left are failing. It's an "at least they're saying something" mentality.

THIS GUY GETS IT.

[Aroura]

Bigots were already there. There's been bigotry in America, there's never been a time when there was not bigotry in America in some form. There were always bigots who were going to vote for Trump whatever political climate we live in.

What I think has swayed it, and I think this is why we're seeing the rise of this horrible alt-right movement across The West, is that we have a Left-wing who are alienating and failing people who would support them by abandoning their traditional principles.

The elephant in the room here, imo at least, is The Left. When you have this SJW culture who are on a crusade of "this is my opinion. You're going to agree and agree 100% or you're a bigot who belongs with Trump", you shrink the space for people who are caught between that and the Trump-like far-right. You have certain groups and individuals who would normally vote left, but they feel so alienated by this screaming radical Left that Trump honestly looks more appealing.

I know right now that me just pointing that out will get some of this lots' backs up, who will read what I've just wrote as me being "alt-right", even though I've consistently made posts on this forum expressing firmly leftist views.

I think Trump like so many other people on the alt-right, by appropriating traditionally leftist language of "rights" and "freedoms", appeals to people who are very concerned about encroaching Islamism post-Orlando and Paris. Why is "gays for Trump" a thing? Because what I saw with my own eyes as a gay man post-Orlando was a pathetic weak Left, who were scared to name the problem of anti-gay bigotry within Islam. They really drop the ball on this, and allow people like Trump to come into that space and, instead of critiquing religion in a nuanced and liberal way, to just say they want to ban all Muslims from America. While that is totally illiberal and deplorable, it sounds good to scared people who the Left are failing. It's an "at least they're saying something" mentality.

I have to agree.  The PC went too far left, and alienated many of their own.  And I'm also a very left person.

But this certainly wasn't a Clinton problem, this is just that the loudest people tend to be heard, while most people in any movement are not those people.  Am I represented by extreme feminists?  No. Most of what they say is as offensive to me as if they were misogynists. But if I say I'm a feminist, I get lumped in with the extremists by many people by default.  This is happening to every group.  Everyone is getting painted poorly be the extremists in their groups thanks to news and social media.

This, however, isn't just a leftist problem.  As the Right went far right the left went hard left.  This is a human behavior problem on both sides.

[Neo-Scholastic]

None of Trump's accusers has yet explained how such an "overwhelmingly bigoted" country could have voted for a black man for two terms. Was the majority stupid back then also? Where were all these bigots 4 years ago, 8 years ago?

The race card has expired. Find another bogeyman. You've cried wolf too often. No one is listening.

[Doubting Thomas]

I don't know that they are all bigots but Drumpf fans expect that there are magical solutions to their problems.

'Murricans have had smoke blown up their asses for so long that they really think they are special.  Drumpf promises to "bring back jobs" and they say "YEAH!" instead of "How?"  Or "which jobs?"  They aren't going to assemble cell phones for $1 an hour.  Automation and technology will continue to displace blue collar workers and they will face the same dilemma they face now.  Acquire new skills which are of value in the marketplace or watch the world pass you by.

And that's why I think Trump will fail as a president and only be a 1-term president.  He's promised middle America pie in the sky that he can't deliver on, and after 4 years of their lives not improving they'll feel betrayed and abandoned by the guy they voted for to make things better.

[The Grand Nudger]

None of Trump's accusers has yet explained how such an "overwhelmingly bigoted" country could have voted for a black man for two terms. Was the majority stupid back then also? Where were all these bigots 4 years ago, 8 years ago?

The race card has expired. Find another bogeyman. You've cried wolf too often. No one is listening.

....?

The people who've voted Trump were just as bigoted 4 years ago, and 8 years ago...as they were last night Neo. They...didn't....vote.....for.....obama......


 This has always been the most ridiculous thing people say, that because we voted for barack, twice even...racism and bigotry and run their course.  Officially a thing of the past.  Well, clearly not...now grab your shovel, you'll be need at the wall.

[Minimalist]

I don't know that they are all bigots but Drumpf fans expect that there are magical solutions to their problems.

'Murricans have had smoke blown up their asses for so long that they really think they are special.  Drumpf promises to "bring back jobs" and they say "YEAH!" instead of "How?"  Or "which jobs?"  They aren't going to assemble cell phones for $1 an hour.  Automation and technology will continue to displace blue collar workers and they will face the same dilemma they face now.  Acquire new skills which are of value in the marketplace or watch the world pass you by.

And that's why I think Trump will fail as a president and only be a 1-term president.  He's promised middle America pie in the sky that he can't deliver on, and after 4 years of their lives not improving they'll feel betrayed and abandoned by the guy they voted for to make things better.

I don't know, D-T.  Even stupid people hate to admit they've been conned.

[Divinity]

None of Trump's accusers has yet explained how such an "overwhelmingly bigoted" country could have voted for a black man for two terms. Was the majority stupid back then also? Where were all these bigots 4 years ago, 8 years ago?

The race card has expired. Find another bogeyman. You've cried wolf too often. No one is listening.

There's more than one type of Bigot.  Some of the people bigoted against women voted for Obama.  Because Obama wasn't a woman.  Trump just united all the bigots.  And Romney failed to do that because he never really reached out to the bigots like Trump did.

[The Grand Nudger]

How could he, as a mor-man, lol? Not as if it mattered, because Trump won in the same counties that went red in those previous elections..only this time, there was record turnout in those reliably red, rural counties. That's who gave him the electorate, the usual suspects, just.,...more of them. I see n reason to pretend that this wasn;t the case with this election, or that the previous two elections were even different in this regard. Neo is just desperate to hear the racist/bigot narrative ended because he;s a goddamned bigot...and just like the rest of the trumpsters, he's tired of hearing about it regardless of whether or not it's true, lol.

[Crossless2.0]

Find another bogeyman. You've cried wolf too often. No one is listening.

Fine. I'm going with pants suits.

Mind you, not women. I'm sure the country is ready for a woman in the oval office.

Just pants suits -- especially those worn by Hillary.