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RE: Why the Dems Lost
November 9, 2016 at 5:06 pm
(November 9, 2016 at 4:21 pm)Aroura Wrote: This is completely why they lost. White males are losing majority power, and they are angry and scared as hell. What do you think they mean when they say make america great again? They mean make it a white Christian Patriarchy.
There is nothing wrong with white males, but they are not going to be a majority for long, and someday, they'll have to actually get used to that. There was no demonizing of white males in this election. Only orange ones. But many white males see the raising up of another group to equal the lowering of their own. Look how scales work.
If the scales start out like this
And end like this
Yes, it feels like they have lost power, like they were being demonized and blamed. But it's a fiction. Just like how Christians claim persecution where there is none, it is just a balancing of the scales.
But hey, looks like the scales are still more like image one, so no problems now, right?? (Naw, just kidding, the persecution complexes will remain because Trump will do nothing to fix the underlying causes of those feelings). why create or pepetuate this narritive?
Why can't it be only about the steady ecconomic decline and stablity of the industrial base like trump says?
Latinos turned out in record numbers to vote for trump. The whole ABC new George steff-o's would not call Flordia for Trump till almost a 1/2 an hour behind fox news last night was because they thought that the 200,000+ uncounted votes from that district would add up to 200K latino votes for clinton.. When infact those Miami/Dade county votes were posted for Trump.
We were told on the local news that Trump was favored by English Speaking latinos over Spanish speaking only latinos.. Why? because they could get their info first hand! Rather than have some 'Dim' lie to them.
Most immigrants who immigrate the right way also want those comming in after them to play the same game they did to obtain their legal status. No free rides is what the 'English Speaking latino vote spelled out.'
But you guys go ahead and tell yourself what ever lie you want.. keep ignoring the truth about this country so you can make another critical error on election night 2020
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RE: Why the Dems Lost
November 9, 2016 at 5:20 pm
(November 9, 2016 at 4:46 pm)Drich Wrote: (November 9, 2016 at 12:44 pm)Lek Wrote: Although the Democratic party had a good message in supporting the rights and privileges of minorities and immigrants, they made one huge mistake. In the process, they villainized white working men and the institutions they hold to be important. As much as they chastised the Republicans for not being a party of inclusion, they never spoke to white middle class men, who already feel that they are carrying the burden of he costs to administer the government programs which the Democrats tout, but they don't benefit from. That's why states like Pennsylvania and Michigan came through for Trump.
I personally, as a white man, never felt that the Democratic candidates were speaking to me. I feel totally alienated from the Democratic party. The fact that Trump overwhelmingly won the white male vote is evidence that white American men had grown tired of being reviled and blamed for everything bad in this country. Neither party has come up with a message that supports the rights and privileges of ALL Americans and so we continue to be divided.
Actually according to ABC news it was not white males that Trump appealed to but White Uneducated males.
You must have fit right in!
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RE: Why the Dems Lost
November 9, 2016 at 5:29 pm
(November 9, 2016 at 4:31 pm)alpha male Wrote: (November 9, 2016 at 4:21 pm)Aroura Wrote: This is completely why they lost. White males are losing majority power, and they are angry and scared as hell. What do you think they mean when they say make america great again? They mean make it a white Christian Patriarchy.
According to CNN exit polls, 53% of white women also voted for Trump.
Deplorable.
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RE: Why the Dems Lost
November 9, 2016 at 5:49 pm
(November 9, 2016 at 5:29 pm)Neo-Scholastic Wrote: (November 9, 2016 at 4:31 pm)alpha male Wrote: According to CNN exit polls, 53% of white women also voted for Trump.
Deplorable.
If you doubt there can be deplorable women (in the Clintonian sense), you've obviously never made last call in a small town North Dakota bar in the middle of January.
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RE: Why the Dems Lost
November 9, 2016 at 8:52 pm
(November 9, 2016 at 5:49 pm)Crossless1 Wrote: (November 9, 2016 at 5:29 pm)Neo-Scholastic Wrote: Deplorable.
If you doubt there can be deplorable women (in the Clintonian sense), you've obviously never made last call in a small town North Dakota bar in the middle of January.
Does South Dakota count?
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RE: Why the Dems Lost
November 9, 2016 at 8:56 pm
The Dems lost because conservatives don't really understand how important things like Public Schooling are, and hate the fact that women have control over their own bodies. (They'll say that abortion is murder, but when it comes down to it they say that women need to face consequences for their actions, which is why many of them are okay with a rape exception)
The whole tone of Church teaching in regard to woman is, to the last degree, contemptuous and degrading. - Elizabeth Cady Stanton
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RE: Why the Dems Lost
November 10, 2016 at 8:47 am
(November 9, 2016 at 8:52 pm)Neo-Scholastic Wrote: (November 9, 2016 at 5:49 pm)Crossless1 Wrote: If you doubt there can be deplorable women (in the Clintonian sense), you've obviously never made last call in a small town North Dakota bar in the middle of January.
Does South Dakota count?
Absolutely!
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RE: Why the Dems Lost
November 10, 2016 at 10:48 am
(November 9, 2016 at 4:52 pm)Drich Wrote: (November 9, 2016 at 12:51 pm)Divinity Wrote: So... basically because conservatives have a ME mentality. They don't give a fuck about anyone but themselves. Of course they're going to fuck themselves in the ass with this one, because Donald Trump is going to destroy the middle class. And when all those social programs that you don't like go out the window... you'll find out just how you really benefited from it.
What/which 'middle class' social programs out there are you referring to?
The Starbucks EBT card? must of missed mine in the mail..
Or maybe your talking about social security which will be bankrupt by the time I get old enough to collect.
Yeah, I think I'll pass on that one too.. Pay into a retirement plan all my life then when I am old enough to use it.. It shuts down..
Just because you don't use a program, doesn't mean you don't benefit from it you stupid piece of shit. Your mother really should have had an abortion when you were conceived. In fact, someone should go back in time and sterilize your father.
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RE: Why the Dems Lost
November 10, 2016 at 11:50 am
(This post was last modified: November 10, 2016 at 11:52 am by A Theist.)
The dems lost because they were too fixated on so-called social justice issues for minorities, illegal immigrants, feminism,...too fixated pitting whites against blacks, men against women, police against black communities....
Michael Moore even warned that Trump would not only be the Republican nominee, but would also be elected president....because the dems have abandoned their once loyal voting base, the blue collar working class....
"From Green Bay to Pittsburgh, this, my friends, is the middle of England – broken, depressed, struggling, the smokestacks strewn across the countryside with the carcass of what we use to call the Middle Class. Angry, embittered working (and nonworking) people who were lied to by the trickle-down of Reagan and abandoned by Democrats who still try to talk a good line but are really just looking forward to rub one out with a lobbyist from Goldman Sachs who’ll write them nice big check before leaving the room. What happened in the UK with Brexit is going to happen here." - Michael Moore
"Inside every Liberal there's a Totalitarian screaming to get out"
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RE: Why the Dems Lost
November 10, 2016 at 11:58 am
(This post was last modified: November 10, 2016 at 12:03 pm by Anomalocaris.)
Mrs clinton lost because she didn't listen to, or forgot, what her husband said before the days of Lewinsky scandal: "it's the economy, stupid", or the perception of economy.
It doesn't matter whether the economy is actually good or bad, the debased American electorate without really valuable skills, and with outsized expectation for their deserts, will always want to hear that the economy is bad for them and someone will make it better for them, somehow, because they, somehow, deserve it.
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