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RE: Do you think Muslims will dominate the world again like they used before?
December 21, 2016 at 12:53 pm
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I just noticed the typos in the poll
(December 21, 2016 at 12:52 pm)Tonus Wrote: I think that the extremist factions have too little unity and far too little support among the general Muslim population to ever dominate the world. I think that as mainstream media works its way into the lives of people under fanatical rule it becomes much harder to keep them in line. Most Muslims are adamant that their religion is peaceful, and given the opportunity to observe it away from the bloodthirsty extremists they will continue to spread the idea that it is peaceful. They do not have the numbers and the ideological support to dominate the world. The best they can do, IMO, is what they're doing now-- oppressing a few nations by controlling the government (whole or in part) and carrying out deadly attacks that will only hurt their cause in the long run.
I agree with some parts of your answer. I still however consider Islam as a religion that pushes toward globalization. It's true that we have Muslims fighting Muslims which decreases the chance for them to dominante. The technological advancement of Muslims is weak and hardly witnessed, another aspect of their problem. That's not to say that Muslims don't have nuclear power in case of Iran and there has been some rumors about the Saudis having it as well. The hidden part of the problem comes with the ideological conversion, look how effective ISIS is in recruiting foreign fighters from all over the world. No doubts the Iranian fanatic regime won't hesitate to use nuclear weapons against their opponents if they feel they need to and this is especially true if that power is used to push or defend their ideology. The general Muslim view that Islam is a religion of peace is just another delusion for those who keep repeating it.
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RE: Do you think Muslims will dominate the world again like they used before?
December 21, 2016 at 1:18 pm
(December 21, 2016 at 12:53 pm)Defender Wrote: I agree with some parts of your answer. I still however consider Islam as a religion that pushes toward globalization. It's true that we have Muslims fighting Muslims which decreases the chance for them to dominante. The technological advancement of Muslims is weak and hardly witnessed, another aspect of their problem. That's not to say that Muslims don't have nuclear power in case of Iran and there has been some rumors about the Saudis having it as well. The hidden part of the problem comes with the ideological conversion, look how effective ISIS is in recruiting foreign fighters from all over the world. No doubts the Iranian fanatic regime won't hesitate to use nuclear weapons against their opponents if they feel they need to and this is especially true if that power is used to push or defend their ideology. The general Muslim view that Islam is a religion of peace is just another delusion for those who keep repeating it.
Keep in mind that it won't matter if the Quran preaches peace or not, but that it will be interpreted this way. Christianity used the Bible to justify many atrocious behaviors for centuries but in the last hundred years it has softened considerably on many of them and only the most hard-line extremists will use it that way anymore. Once it becomes more convenient to promote it as a religion of peace it won't matter what it says... it will be a religion of peace and the hard-liners will be marginalized and/or suppressed.
ISIS may be able to recruit from around the world but that's an ineffective way of building an organized fighting force. And it leaves them open to being infiltrated at numerous levels, which may be why the Obama administration has been claiming success at eliminating the upper-echelon of their ranks. They also need money to continue to operate, and there are points at which it is possible to trace where the money is coming from and put pressure on those sources, or remove them from the field altogether through asset seizure or freezing. ISIS can live on for a long time due to its fragmented nature and use of human shields and guerilla tactics. But none of those things will allow them to dominate anything for very long.
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RE: Do you think Muslims will dominate the world again like they used before?
December 21, 2016 at 1:34 pm
No. And they never ruled the world.
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RE: Do you think Muslims will dominate the world again like they used before?
December 21, 2016 at 1:35 pm
How does a muslim or anyone use a before?
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RE: Do you think Muslims will dominate the world again like they used before?
December 21, 2016 at 1:51 pm
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(December 21, 2016 at 1:18 pm)Tonus Wrote: (December 21, 2016 at 12:53 pm)Defender Wrote: I agree with some parts of your answer. I still however consider Islam as a religion that pushes toward globalization. It's true that we have Muslims fighting Muslims which decreases the chance for them to dominante. The technological advancement of Muslims is weak and hardly witnessed, another aspect of their problem. That's not to say that Muslims don't have nuclear power in case of Iran and there has been some rumors about the Saudis having it as well. The hidden part of the problem comes with the ideological conversion, look how effective ISIS is in recruiting foreign fighters from all over the world. No doubts the Iranian fanatic regime won't hesitate to use nuclear weapons against their opponents if they feel they need to and this is especially true if that power is used to push or defend their ideology. The general Muslim view that Islam is a religion of peace is just another delusion for those who keep repeating it.
Keep in mind that it won't matter if the Quran preaches peace or not, but that it will be interpreted this way. Christianity used the Bible to justify many atrocious behaviors for centuries but in the last hundred years it has softened considerably on many of them and only the most hard-line extremists will use it that way anymore. Once it becomes more convenient to promote it as a religion of peace it won't matter what it says... it will be a religion of peace and the hard-liners will be marginalized and/or suppressed.
ISIS may be able to recruit from around the world but that's an ineffective way of building an organized fighting force. And it leaves them open to being infiltrated at numerous levels, which may be why the Obama administration has been claiming success at eliminating the upper-echelon of their ranks. They also need money to continue to operate, and there are points at which it is possible to trace where the money is coming from and put pressure on those sources, or remove them from the field altogether through asset seizure or freezing. ISIS can live on for a long time due to its fragmented nature and use of human shields and guerilla tactics. But none of those things will allow them to dominate anything for very long.
Agreed like all religious texts it's a matter of coveince over doctrine as it has in Islam's own past we need to
encourage such a change it's very potent weapon as reverend love joy from the simpsons put it
"You could save a lot more souls with roller-skates and Easy-Bake ovens, than with this" insert holy book of your choice
And true they have foreign fighters but many have regretted joining once they see past the propaganda that's why isis has been using narcotics too keep them fighting isis is doomed really
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RE: Do you think Muslims will dominate the world again like they used before?
December 21, 2016 at 2:15 pm
I think when you're dealing with large populations it's unpredictable. on top of that the vague definition of what makes a Muslim. For example I know Muslims who would be first on the list of people to be executed by Isis for what they get up to at the weekend.
Take the mongol, Viking or Roman Empire.
I'd be surprised if anyone predicted they were on the rise when they were and I'd be surprised if anyone predicted what would eventually happen to them.
Besides the vague prediction that you can say a super power will rise and old super powers will fall, there isn't much else you could be remotely sure of.
Two things Muslims have on their side in terms of getting dominance over regions of the earth are their breeding rates conversion rates and their dedication.
What they have going against them is divisions amongst themselves and a fairly primitive belief system amongst other things.
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RE: Do you think Muslims will dominate the world again like they used before?
December 21, 2016 at 2:18 pm
(December 21, 2016 at 2:15 pm)paulpablo Wrote: I think when you're dealing with large populations it's unpredictable. on top of that the vague definition of what makes a Muslim. For example I know Muslims who would be first on the list of people to be executed by Isis for what they get up to at the weekend.
Take the mongol, Viking or Roman Empire.
I'd be surprised if anyone predicted they were on the rise when they were and I'd be surprised if anyone predicted what would eventually happen to them.
Besides the vague prediction that you can say a super power will rise and old super powers will fall, there isn't much else you could be remotely sure of.
Two things Muslims have on their side in terms of getting dominance over regions of the earth are their breeding rates conversion rates and their dedication.
What they have going against them is divisions amongst themselves and a fairly primitive belief system amongst other things.
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RE: Do you think Muslims will dominate the world again like they used before?
December 21, 2016 at 2:59 pm
Yes, of course I believe the Muslims are going to dominate the world. In fact, I'm typing this while cowering under my bed, shivering with fear that the Muslims are going to invade New Zealand and make me wear a turban.
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RE: Do you think Muslims will dominate the world again like they used before?
December 21, 2016 at 3:13 pm
(December 21, 2016 at 11:07 am)Defender Wrote: The situation in Germany is really worrying. When the refugee crisis began, Germany assumed the position of the savior but playing hero always comes at a cost. After a series of attacks in Germany, France, numerous parts in Europe and the Americas, the world noticed the cultural incompatibility between migrants and locals. It's not surprising though to see attacks taking place in festivals and public holidays more frequently than in normal relaxed days. No matter when the attacks come, the message is clear, Muslims want to dominate. The psychology of the attackers is similar in nature, you can feel what they’re doing is thought as a superior godly behavior that would result in an eternal heaven. Do you think Muslims will dominate the world again like they used before? Share your thoughts with us.
Are you German? If not, please refrain from making uninformed assumptions.
Also, your again is on the same ignorant lines. They never dominated the world. Only the regions where there's still a majority muslim population. Plus parts of Spain up until 1492. The most educated, tolerant and developed parts, for that matter.
Secondly, muslim isn't muslim as christian isn't christian. There are too many fractions to mention. Religious as well as cultural as well as ethnic.
Third, and most importantly, a minority of up to 5 percent at the very most in any given Western country, can hardly strive for domination. The assumption is beyond stupid and doesn't get any wiser by constance repetition.
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RE: Do you think Muslims will dominate the world again like they used before?
December 21, 2016 at 3:19 pm
The Duggars will dominate the world first.
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