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Jesus did not rise from the dead -- My debate opening statement.
#71
RE: Jesus did not rise from the dead -- My debate opening statement.
Drich,

You have never answered my principle objection to the resurrection of Jesus as I outlined in my OP, namely, the following:

Quote:If I reject alien abductions (and, I do), even given the plethora of evidences, both testimonial and physical for them, why, then, should I accept the so-called resurrection of Jesus from the dead?

Answer this question for me, Drich, and I'll convert, publicly on this board, to whatever brand of Protestantism that you subscribe to.
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#72
RE: Jesus did not rise from the dead -- My debate opening statement.
(January 9, 2017 at 5:57 pm)Drich Wrote:
(January 2, 2017 at 3:29 pm)Econo-blast Wrote:
DRICH

HELLO, ANYBODY HOME TODAY?!

I SAID THE BIBLE JESUS, REPEAT, BIBLE JESUS, GET IT?!
Like I said still not in the mode to untangle muddle anger and hate toward the church. If you have a charge please spell it out, it will be ignored till you do.
Quote:
A Jesus character may have existed, but like all ignorant and deceiving pseudo-christians like you
Seem you have been wrongly embolden. First you claim there is absolutely no proof for Christ, now you concede there is proof for Christ except...

So which is it sport? is their absolutely no proof outside of what was compiled at the console of Nicaea or not?

Let's start there.

Quote:
that like to purport a "Jesus" existed in this time period is NOT enough, we're looking for the Jesus
character that is Yahweh god incarnate or the son of Yahweh where actual EYE WITNESSES that lived
within the time period wrote about the alleged godly Jesus, with absolutely NO HEARSAY ACCOUNTS!!
Like John, Like Matthew, like Peter's account? which all three confirm the one so called hearsay account? Or do you dismiss them all because they are all apart of a compilation of writing s that not only tell of who Christ was but how to establish and maintain contact with God now?

Quote:
DO YOU UNDERSTAND? 
That said Do you not understand that ANYTHING Written that confirms the deity of Christ was compiled and is labeled 'religious' by nature no matter who wrote it? There were even books written to the opposite purpose of the bible, to prove that Jesus was not God and these books were also absorbed by the church because they mentioned Jesus in greater detail. We no longer have the originals but we do have ancient historians quoting from those books.

Apparently you do not understand That before the consul at Nicaea concluded they put out a call to begin to define and compile all canonical texts? It seem you are totally oblivious to the fact that direct discipleship was not a requirement of what ultimately be known as a canonical text?

What does that mean to all of your fan fare and flag waving you just wrongfully flourished above?? It means outsiders sport (People not apart of the faith/the apostleship)  who wrote of Christ could/would be considered canonical and therefore be adopted as a inspired writing.

Bet you have no idea what I am talking about do ya smart guy?

Yet you, upon me telling you, what I am talking about would identify this work as being religious in nature. Which is the very point I am making. Now pay attention boy, Im'a only going say, I say, I'ma only gonna to write this once!

IF a secular writing was strong enough to identify Christ as lord it was adopted in scripture. therefore disqualified as a secular writing by most douche bags who bring up this old tired argument

The problem being, unless one/historian was told (not being originally apart of the faith) to investigate and record a specific religious movement, one would only make mention of Christ and his religious movement as He impacted to world of that day greatly. As per the 12 or so ancient historical examples I gave in my opening volley.

Which now brings back full circle to your anti-sunday school of thought/objection:

Quote:
that like to purport a "Jesus" existed in this time period is NOT enough, we're looking for the Jesus
and we have that sport, all complied into one book.
Quote:
character that is Yahweh god incarnate or the son of Yahweh where actual EYE WITNESSES that lived
We have that too

Quote:
within the time period wrote about the alleged godly Jesus, with absolutely NO HEARSAY ACCOUNTS!!
First and foremost, your concern about Hearsay History... Are you being serious? or are you so stupid as to not know that the majority who record history then and now do so from a position of "hearsay?"

-Or Again, are you so foolish to believe that one or two people per generation get to personal watch and therefore are responsible to record everything first hand?

So then why the double standard?

There were maybe 11 people after the death of Jesus on the planet who could have written an eye witness account. Of which smart guy how many of them do you think could read and write? I would exclude the fishermen and or laborers simply because it was not a required skill, then means maybe 3.. The tax collectors (Matthew, Judas and John.)
and even then they may have only been able to write in aramaic (like an ancient creole or Ebonics, not a well recognized form of written communication out of certain regions.) which means inorder for a document to be official it must have been written (properly grammar ect) in Koine Greek which means a scribe, and no matter how that gets diced up a douche like you will always say hear say.

But again why the double standard? what historical document written by anyone was view from start to finish by the one author?

Can't come up with anything short of a autobiography? Neither can google.

So let's put that cheap trick back into your bag of intellectual dishonesty and move on shall we?


Quote:
Now, wipe the egg from your face once again pertaining your lack of reading comprehension, because the erroneous proof that
Bwahahahaha!!!
If there is egg on my face, then what is it I smell on yours?


ROFLOL

Quote:
you've included should be embarrassing to you, but because of your blatant ignorance upon this topic, it isn't proof whatsoever!

Ahh Victory lap before any attempt at a rebuttal... more intellectual dishonesty.


Quote:Now, you have two choices, you either run and hide from your pseudo-christian ignorance like the majority of your brethren 
Sometimes, I like to give the new guy enough leash to properly hang themselves so when I come back in a couple days I can take whatever slack they have left and beat them with it.. This time it was just a mixture of being board with the subject matter and my poor dog dying.. If you still want to go after you get you teeth fixed then I'll be happy to go as long as you like.



Quote:
have to do to save face, or you defend your position like your biblical doctrine so states, and debate me 
upon this topic where its just you and me, sport!  Understood? The forum's alumni are watching!

Jerkoff I got some 'alumni' for right here...

Quote:DRICH, ARE YOU GOING TO RUN AWAY IN DISGRACE, OR DEFEND YOU POSITION LIKE JESUS WANTS YOU TOO?
Quote:"But in your hearts honor Christ the Lord as holy, always being prepared to make a defense to anyone who
Quote:
 asks you for a reason for the hope that is in you; yet do it with gentleness and respect."  (1 Peter 3:15)

The question will soon turn to what kind of Christ I am because of how 'harshly' and quickly you are made to look the fool. Like for instance you unrealistic view of how history gets recorded "no hearsay" when infact it is all hear say if you use the same standard from which you judge the bible. Again how small minded is the person to think that History is only found to be accurate if one with first hand knowledge of an event records said event..

Just look at the BS we get from those who 'witness' police shootings. Some of those people directly contradict body cam footage and Still demand that they are right!!!

It's not about how many people one is removed from the eye witnesses, it is about dedication and investigation of and for the truth that makes one effort more legitimate than another. The fact that we have 4 collaborative (not mirrored) accounts, and a 12 or so peripheral accounts that confirm the frame work all point to one conclusion. That is the gospels more of the bible recordes the truth.

Now before you throw your stanky panties at me in an attempt to distract and threaten me, note I did not say the bible it verified or finds vetting through it's historical documentation. Actually it's documentation is vetted through the promises the bible makes, and the realization of said promises when you simply follow the directions to obtain what is promised.

The bible first and foremost even before it is a historical document is a map to God.

Now how does one vet a map? or if you prefer how does one vet a treasure map?

A moron such as yourself it would seem would blather on about histroicostiy of the map, exhaust countless scholars to prove no ORIGINAL Person who was there Drew up the Map, and all the dingle berry crap you have been victory lapping about, and won't leave me along to morn my dog.

So what does a man with common sense do to vet a map? He follows it. If the treasure is where it is found, then the map and everything it says it vetted..

That is what mind minded b-holes like yourself don't get.

God.
the question will be

I would never be able to eat if I had as much shit in my mouth as you do, it's all that comes out of there, you must have an aberration in your digestive system to make it travel in a circle and come back out from where food goes in. Not a fucking thing in the bible has been correct except by pure coincidence or something that was obvious even to the idiots who wrote it, any 'prophecies' are either made-up insertions (and not even done accurately, because the savior's name wasn't supposed to be Jesus for one) or things that can easily be done by human hands, and through strong motivation by believers to make them come true. A real prophecy is something that will happen regardless of any human intervention, has a definite date, is unmistakable and incapable of being subject to interpretation, and will have details that will make it perfectly distinguishable from other events that might be similar. No such prophecy has ever been made or fulfilled in the bible. Do your fucking homework before you keep embarrassing yourself. You're the sort of theist that people really get frustrated by because even though we're supposed to think that it's not pointless to argue, you are bound and determined to ignore the fact that you're completely wrong, have a problem that needs to be treated, and that there are people who are willing and ready to help with that.
Religions were invented to impress and dupe illiterate, superstitious stone-age peasants. So in this modern, enlightened age of information, what's your excuse? Or are you saying with all your advantages, you were still tricked as easily as those early humans?

---

There is no better way to convey the least amount of information in the greatest amount of words than to try explaining your religious views.
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#73
RE: Jesus did not rise from the dead -- My debate opening statement.
Quote: you must have an aberration in your digestive system to make it travel in a circle and come back out from where food goes in.

No.  That's incorrect.  In Dripshit's case it drips down from his brain.
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#74
RE: Jesus did not rise from the dead -- My debate opening statement.
(January 9, 2017 at 9:52 pm)Jehanne Wrote: Drich,

You have never answered my principle objection to the resurrection of Jesus as I outlined in my OP, namely, the following:

Quote:If I reject alien abductions (and, I do), even given the plethora of evidences, both testimonial and physical for them, why, then, should I accept the so-called resurrection of Jesus from the dead?

Answer this question for me, Drich, and I'll convert, publicly on this board, to whatever brand of Protestantism that you subscribe to.
Actually I did answer you at length post 25:
http://atheistforums.org/thread-46883-page-3.html

You answered: If you want to debate me contact the mods.

Now you demand I simply answer you, I ask that you pick one side of the road to drive on and stay there please... Oh, and when you get baptized wear underwear or even bring a swim suit to wear underneath. the gown the give you doesn't leave much to the imagination.

(January 10, 2017 at 2:06 am)Astonished Wrote: I would never be able to eat if I had as much shit in my mouth as you do, it's all that comes out of there, you must have an aberration in your digestive system to make it travel in a circle and come back out from where food goes in.
Ah the pre-empty content intimidation/victory lap. As you can see you brother noob atheist also deeply indulges in the intellectual dishonest practice of ad hom attacks. Here's the thing sport. Most of us on here (save the youtube guys) recognize what an ad hoc opener usally means.. Your going to follow with empty conjecture and speculation based in nothing.

Quote:Not a fucking thing in the bible has been correct except by pure coincidence or something that was obvious even to the idiots who wrote it, any 'prophecies' are either made-up insertions (and not even done accurately, because the savior's name wasn't supposed to be Jesus for one) or things that can easily be done by human hands, and through strong motivation by believers to make them come true.
Oh, Noes! Blush Mr. big shot doesn't know the difference between prophesy and the promises I mentioned. So his whole rant is a total miss.

Quote:A real prophecy is something that will happen regardless of any human intervention, has a definite date, is unmistakable and incapable of being subject to interpretation, and will have details that will make it perfectly distinguishable from other events that might be similar. No such prophecy has ever been made or fulfilled in the bible. Do your fucking homework before you keep embarrassing yourself. You're the sort of theist that people really get frustrated by because even though we're supposed to think that it's not pointless to argue, you are bound and determined to ignore the fact that you're completely wrong, have a problem that needs to be treated, and that there are people who are willing and ready to help with that.
ROFLOL

He said do your home...

ROFLOL ROFLOL

Ok, let's try it again..

Douche bag said "do your home work before you keep embarrassing yourself."

ROFLOL

Like maybe looking up the word prophesy and the word promise or maybe looking up or even asking what the difference there are between the two words? Or if your old school prophecy and covenant. Maybe I lost you in the transition between covenants and promise.

AS in the bible is vetted in the covenants God makes to each and every one of us. Meaning we have the opportunity to vet scripture ourselves via tapping the covenants God put in the bible.
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#75
RE: Jesus did not rise from the dead -- My debate opening statement.
(January 10, 2017 at 9:41 am)Drich Wrote:
(January 9, 2017 at 9:52 pm)Jehanne Wrote: Drich,

You have never answered my principle objection to the resurrection of Jesus as I outlined in my OP, namely, the following:


Answer this question for me, Drich, and I'll convert, publicly on this board, to whatever brand of Protestantism that you subscribe to.
Actually I did answer you at length post 25:
http://atheistforums.org/thread-46883-page-3.html

You answered: If you want to debate me contact the mods.

Now you demand I simply answer you, I ask that you pick one side of the road to drive on and stay there please... Oh, and when you get baptized wear underwear or even bring a swim suit to wear underneath. the gown the give you doesn't leave much to the imagination.


I reread that post and nowhere do you answer the question as to why the so-called witnesses of the New Testament (most of whom are anonymous, such as the supposed '500 brethren') are to believed over the thousands of known witnesses alive now who claim that they have been physically abducted by aliens.  As for the so-called 500 brethren, it's very strange that none of them wrote any accounts of their so-called experiences!  Still, I doubt very much that even you, Drich, accept the so-called Miracle of the Sun were 70,000 saw the Sun "miraculously" move from one quadrant of the sky to another before plunging to the Earth.  So, even if the historicity of the so-called 500 is accepted, I can point to other examples from history of mass hallucinations which you no doubt reject, also.
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#76
RE: Jesus did not rise from the dead -- My debate opening statement.
(January 10, 2017 at 10:25 am)Jehanne Wrote:
(January 10, 2017 at 9:41 am)Drich Wrote: Actually I did answer you at length post 25:
http://atheistforums.org/thread-46883-page-3.html

You answered: If you want to debate me contact the mods.

Now you demand I simply answer you, I ask that you pick one side of the road to drive on and stay there please... Oh, and when you get baptized wear underwear or even bring a swim suit to wear underneath. the gown the give you doesn't leave much to the imagination.


I reread that post and nowhere do you answer the question as to why the so-called witnesses of the New Testament (most of whom are anonymous, such as the supposed '500 brethren') are to believed over the thousands of known witnesses alive now who claim that they have been physically abducted by aliens.  As for the so-called 500 brethren, it's very strange that none of them wrote any accounts of their so-called experiences!  Still, I doubt very much that even you, Drich, accept the so-called Miracle of the Sun were 70,000 saw the Sun "miraculously" move from one quadrant of the sky to another before plunging to the Earth.  So, even if the historicity of the so-called 500 is accepted, I can point to other examples from history of mass hallucinations which you no doubt reject, also.

And you still don't get it...

Let me put it to you in your terms.

What if I was abducted and tested on, and told you that if you want proof all you need do is A,B,C and the aliens would 123 you.

Would seeking and obtaining proof for yourself be enough?

That sport is what God offers everyone from then till now. That is why the words of the 500 are more valid. because their words were not ment to convert but to tell people who God is and where to find them for themselves.

Again the bible is not a historical document that simply tells of what things were, but an active map as to where to find God.
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#77
RE: Jesus did not rise from the dead -- My debate opening statement.
(January 9, 2017 at 5:57 pm)Drich Wrote:
(January 2, 2017 at 3:29 pm)Econo-blast Wrote:
DRICH

HELLO, ANYBODY HOME TODAY?!

I SAID THE BIBLE JESUS, REPEAT, BIBLE JESUS, GET IT?!
Like I said still not in the mode to untangle muddle anger and hate toward the church. If you have a charge please spell it out, it will be ignored till you do.
Quote:
A Jesus character may have existed, but like all ignorant and deceiving pseudo-christians like you
Seem you have been wrongly embolden. First you claim there is absolutely no proof for Christ, now you concede there is proof for Christ except...

So which is it sport? is their absolutely no proof outside of what was compiled at the console of Nicaea or not?

Let's start there.

Quote:
that like to purport a "Jesus" existed in this time period is NOT enough, we're looking for the Jesus
character that is Yahweh god incarnate or the son of Yahweh where actual EYE WITNESSES that lived
within the time period wrote about the alleged godly Jesus, with absolutely NO HEARSAY ACCOUNTS!!
Like John, Like Matthew, like Peter's account? which all three confirm the one so called hearsay account? Or do you dismiss them all because they are all apart of a compilation of writing s that not only tell of who Christ was but how to establish and maintain contact with God now?

Quote:
DO YOU UNDERSTAND? 
That said Do you not understand that ANYTHING Written that confirms the deity of Christ was compiled and is labeled 'religious' by nature no matter who wrote it? There were even books written to the opposite purpose of the bible, to prove that Jesus was not God and these books were also absorbed by the church because they mentioned Jesus in greater detail. We no longer have the originals but we do have ancient historians quoting from those books.

Apparently you do not understand That before the consul at Nicaea concluded they put out a call to begin to define and compile all canonical texts? It seem you are totally oblivious to the fact that direct discipleship was not a requirement of what ultimately be known as a canonical text?

What does that mean to all of your fan fare and flag waving you just wrongfully flourished above?? It means outsiders sport (People not apart of the faith/the apostleship)  who wrote of Christ could/would be considered canonical and therefore be adopted as a inspired writing.

Bet you have no idea what I am talking about do ya smart guy?

Yet you, upon me telling you, what I am talking about would identify this work as being religious in nature. Which is the very point I am making. Now pay attention boy, Im'a only going say, I say, I'ma only gonna to write this once!

IF a secular writing was strong enough to identify Christ as lord it was adopted in scripture. therefore disqualified as a secular writing by most douche bags who bring up this old tired argument

The problem being, unless one/historian was told (not being originally apart of the faith) to investigate and record a specific religious movement, one would only make mention of Christ and his religious movement as He impacted to world of that day greatly. As per the 12 or so ancient historical examples I gave in my opening volley.

Which now brings back full circle to your anti-sunday school of thought/objection:

Quote:
that like to purport a "Jesus" existed in this time period is NOT enough, we're looking for the Jesus
and we have that sport, all complied into one book.
Quote:
character that is Yahweh god incarnate or the son of Yahweh where actual EYE WITNESSES that lived
We have that too

Quote:
within the time period wrote about the alleged godly Jesus, with absolutely NO HEARSAY ACCOUNTS!!
First and foremost, your concern about Hearsay History... Are you being serious? or are you so stupid as to not know that the majority who record history then and now do so from a position of "hearsay?"

-Or Again, are you so foolish to believe that one or two people per generation get to personal watch and therefore are responsible to record everything first hand?

So then why the double standard?

There were maybe 11 people after the death of Jesus on the planet who could have written an eye witness account. Of which smart guy how many of them do you think could read and write? I would exclude the fishermen and or laborers simply because it was not a required skill, then means maybe 3.. The tax collectors (Matthew, Judas and John.)
and even then they may have only been able to write in aramaic (like an ancient creole or Ebonics, not a well recognized form of written communication out of certain regions.) which means inorder for a document to be official it must have been written (properly grammar ect) in Koine Greek which means a scribe, and no matter how that gets diced up a douche like you will always say hear say.

But again why the double standard? what historical document written by anyone was view from start to finish by the one author?

Can't come up with anything short of a autobiography? Neither can google.

So let's put that cheap trick back into your bag of intellectual dishonesty and move on shall we?


Quote:
Now, wipe the egg from your face once again pertaining your lack of reading comprehension, because the erroneous proof that
Bwahahahaha!!!
If there is egg on my face, then what is it I smell on yours?


ROFLOL

Quote:
you've included should be embarrassing to you, but because of your blatant ignorance upon this topic, it isn't proof whatsoever!

Ahh Victory lap before any attempt at a rebuttal... more intellectual dishonesty.


Quote:Now, you have two choices, you either run and hide from your pseudo-christian ignorance like the majority of your brethren 
Sometimes, I like to give the new guy enough leash to properly hang themselves so when I come back in a couple days I can take whatever slack they have left and beat them with it.. This time it was just a mixture of being board with the subject matter and my poor dog dying.. If you still want to go after you get you teeth fixed then I'll be happy to go as long as you like.



Quote:
have to do to save face, or you defend your position like your biblical doctrine so states, and debate me 
upon this topic where its just you and me, sport!  Understood? The forum's alumni are watching!

Jerkoff I got some 'alumni' for right here...

Quote:DRICH, ARE YOU GOING TO RUN AWAY IN DISGRACE, OR DEFEND YOU POSITION LIKE JESUS WANTS YOU TOO?
Quote:"But in your hearts honor Christ the Lord as holy, always being prepared to make a defense to anyone who
Quote:
 asks you for a reason for the hope that is in you; yet do it with gentleness and respect."  (1 Peter 3:15)

The question will soon turn to what kind of Christ I am because of how 'harshly' and quickly you are made to look the fool. Like for instance you unrealistic view of how history gets recorded "no hearsay" when infact it is all hear say if you use the same standard from which you judge the bible. Again how small minded is the person to think that History is only found to be accurate if one with first hand knowledge of an event records said event..

Just look at the BS we get from those who 'witness' police shootings. Some of those people directly contradict body cam footage and Still demand that they are right!!!

It's not about how many people one is removed from the eye witnesses, it is about dedication and investigation of and for the truth that makes one effort more legitimate than another. The fact that we have 4 collaborative (not mirrored) accounts, and a 12 or so peripheral accounts that confirm the frame work all point to one conclusion. That is the gospels more of the bible recordes the truth.

Now before you throw your stanky panties at me in an attempt to distract and threaten me, note I did not say the bible it verified or finds vetting through it's historical documentation. Actually it's documentation is vetted through the promises the bible makes, and the realization of said promises when you simply follow the directions to obtain what is promised.

The bible first and foremost even before it is a historical document is a map to God.

Now how does one vet a map? or if you prefer how does one vet a treasure map?

A moron such as yourself it would seem would blather on about histroicostiy of the map, exhaust countless scholars to prove no ORIGINAL Person who was there Drew up the Map, and all the dingle berry crap you have been victory lapping about, and won't leave me along to morn my dog.

So what does a man with common sense do to vet a map? He follows it. If the treasure is where it is found, then the map and everything it says it vetted..

That is what mind minded b-holes like yourself don't get.

God.
the question will be







Drich,

Lets cut to the chase, vacuum up the chicken feathers that are around your computer, adjust your belt for the long haul, and lets debate, or discuss, the alleged existence of your serial killing BIBLE Jesus character in a separate thread! Okay?


Furthermore, why haven’t you answered my question in what division of Christianity that you’ve swallowed? Are you that embarrassed about the one you've picked, where you have to remain silent about it? WWJD? Are you Catholic, Lutheran, Mormon, Jehovah Witness, or???


For the sake of your moniker upon this forum, I know you won’t run away from this particular debate regarding the impetus of your primitive and dangerous belief of Christianity, which is the the serial killer BIBLE Jesus!


Hopefully the mods can set up a thread where its only you and me, whereas the "sideline nibblers" are kept out!  Smile



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#78
RE: Jesus did not rise from the dead -- My debate opening statement.
Watching Drich and Century go back and forth is like watching a slap flight, only with increasingly bigger fonts and emojis.
In every country and every age, the priest had been hostile to Liberty.
- Thomas Jefferson
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#79
RE: Jesus did not rise from the dead -- My debate opening statement.
(January 10, 2017 at 3:50 pm)21stCenturyIconoclast Wrote: Drich,

Lets cut to the chase, vacuum up the chicken feathers that are around your computer, adjust your belt for the long haul, and lets debate, or discuss, the alleged existence of your serial killing BIBLE Jesus character in a separate thread! Okay?
your show sport. If you don't feel that's you 'A' game, then please lets set that aside. I want you to bring your best.
Quote:Furthermore, why haven’t you answered my question in what division of Christianity that you’ve swallowed? Are you that embarrassed about the one you've picked, where you have to remain silent about it? WWJD? Are you Catholic, Lutheran, Mormon, Jehovah Witness, or???
Because I have answered this many many times already. I think it is even in my profile.
Started out Buddhist, then Korean baptist (if you can call it that as I did not speak the language well enough to participate.) Then my dad got mixed in with some church he found then high school hit, after a series of personal crises I turned to God... Nothing then I fell into atheist. was that way for some time. Then sister's best friend (hot chick) invited me to a NON DENOMINATIONAL church, the hot chick introduced me to a hotter chick some years later and I married her.

I am technically a member of her church still, just not a very good one.

That said I have sort of set up shop here in an unconventional way, but still yet follow the guidelines and minimal requirements of a church. Therefore I can say we goto the same church.

Quote:For the sake of your moniker upon this forum, I know you won’t run away from this particular debate regarding the impetus of your primitive and dangerous belief of Christianity, which is the the serial killer BIBLE Jesus!
not a button sport.. just don't want to play some childish Game. I don't know what you are talking about and am too old to try and figure it out. Just say what you mean plainly. I promise you will have more to deal with in simple English than you can handle.

Quote:Hopefully the mods can set up a thread where its only you and me, whereas the "sideline nibblers" are kept out!  Smile
You might want to leave it open to get as much help as your peers are willing to give you.

(January 10, 2017 at 5:01 pm)FatAndFaithless Wrote: Watching Drich and Century go back and forth is like watching a slap flight, only with increasingly bigger fonts and emojis.

what control over his font do I have?
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#80
RE: Jesus did not rise from the dead -- My debate opening statement.
(January 10, 2017 at 3:09 pm)Drich Wrote:
(January 10, 2017 at 10:25 am)Jehanne Wrote: I reread that post and nowhere do you answer the question as to why the so-called witnesses of the New Testament (most of whom are anonymous, such as the supposed '500 brethren') are to believed over the thousands of known witnesses alive now who claim that they have been physically abducted by aliens.  As for the so-called 500 brethren, it's very strange that none of them wrote any accounts of their so-called experiences!  Still, I doubt very much that even you, Drich, accept the so-called Miracle of the Sun were 70,000 saw the Sun "miraculously" move from one quadrant of the sky to another before plunging to the Earth.  So, even if the historicity of the so-called 500 is accepted, I can point to other examples from history of mass hallucinations which you no doubt reject, also.

And you still don't get it...

Let me put it to you in your terms.

What if I was abducted and tested on, and told you that if you want proof all you need do is A,B,C and the aliens would 123 you.

Would seeking and obtaining proof for yourself be enough?

That sport is what God offers everyone from then till now. That is why the words of the 500 are more valid. because their words were not ment to convert but to tell people who God is and where to find them for themselves.

Again the bible is not a historical document that simply tells of what things were, but an active map as to where to find God.

Let's do this -- tomorrow night I will flip a coin 100 times.  Between now and then you write down the ordered sequence of heads & tails that I get.  I'll do the same after each coin toss.  And, then, let's compare.  If our lists agree, I'll convert to any religion that you want me to!  Deal?

As for the so-called 500 witnesses, I don't believe that they were authentic.  No one, either secular or Christian, after the time of Paul ever recorded who these individuals were or what they saw and neither did they, themselves, ever identify themselves as being part of the "500 hundred".  Paul, like the Gospels, had a trait of embellishment to him and tended to exaggerate things, as was the case with many writers in the ancient World (size of armies, numbers of deaths, etc.)  Of course, he was writing to a group of individuals who were 500 miles away, with the express goal of strengthening their faith in this supposed "miraculous" event, an event which the Gospels themselves fail to record.

But, even assuming that it happened, it would just be another "mass delusion" in the history of the World.  Lots of those have occurred; I mentioned earlier just one category of such events, the so-called "sun miracles".

By the way, I never mentioned the X-files and have never watched that series or movies.  I do know that Fox used to place one of the X-file characters in some of its other shows, though.  Just Google that; quite interesting!
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