Trump's ban on Muslims

[The Industrial Atheist]

Trump has business ties there. That's the one and only educated guess.

A country being a recently sanctioned genocide filled chaotic war zone likely leads to both 1) difficulty vetting people from that area 2) not an ideal location for a Trump golf course.

Seems likely you just have your causations mixed up.

We have acess to Assad's records and Syria was a police state.

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[Catholic_Lady]

Don't know if anyone has said this yet, but "the list" actually came from Obama as the countries that were most threatening.

[Tiberius]

That's my intuitive guess at why people from a stable moderately friendly country would receive less intense scrutiny than one that is in chaos or an enemy.

Trump has business ties there. That's the one and only educated guess.

Summary: None of the banned countries has business ties to Trump. And none of the citizens of the banned countries launched a terrorist attack on American soil - ever.

Make of that what you will.

I wish people would stop with this "explanation". The Obama administration came up with the list of countries as "countries of concern". They are all either at war / civil war / politically unstable.

As much I dislike Trump the fact that he has no business interests in the named countries seems to be little more than coincidence.

[SteelCurtain]

Let's not get carried away with a lazy narrative on this one.

The list is still stupid, but not for that reason.

[Wyrd of Gawd]

There are about 50 muslim countries in the world. Seven are on the list. It sounds like some people won't be happy until all of them are on the list.

[Alex K]

Trump has business ties there. That's the one and only educated guess.

Summary: None of the banned countries has business ties to Trump. And none of the citizens of the banned countries launched a terrorist attack on American soil - ever.

Make of that what you will.

I wish people would stop with this "explanation". The Obama administration came up with the list of countries as "countries of concern". They are all either at war / civil war / politically unstable.

As much I dislike Trump the fact that he has no business interests in the named countries seems to be little more than coincidence.

It doesn't even have to be a pure coincidence, the causality might go the opposite way - i.e. people tend to have more business interests in politically stable countries.

[robvalue]

It seems to me that if Trump has any sort of brain and plan, the plan is to incite more terror attacks against the USA by pissing off as many Muslims as possible. He can then "justify" a war. He's giving ISIS exactly what they need. They don't even need to lie to their recruits about this.

If. He may just be a complete and utter total moron.

[Ben Davis]

I wish people would stop with this "explanation". The Obama administration came up with the list of countries as "countries of concern". They are all either at war / civil war / politically unstable.

As much I dislike Trump the fact that he has no business interests in the named countries seems to be little more than coincidence.

Sorry Tibs but this is not a case of Trump following up on Obama's work. It's clear that Trump felt/was advised to make good on his 'anti-terrorism' ban of muslims entering the country. If we examine the stats we see that there have been no attacks from within the US by migrant citizens of any of the banned nations. However all of the top ranked countries for counts of migrant terrorists are exempt from his ban. Why? If terrorist activity is not on his list of criteria for the ban, what are?

Is it not reasonable to suggest it could be a result of his well-documented personal relationships with heads of state from the countries in which he does business? Is it not reasonable to suggest that a man who has already taken great pains, on a number of occasions, to protect his business assets in spite of the conflicts of interest with his presidency, might do so once again?

[Wyrd of Gawd]

It seems to me that if Trump has any sort of brain and plan, the plan is to incite more terror attacks against the USA by pissing off as many Muslims as possible. He can then "justify" a war. He's giving ISIS exactly what they need. They don't even need to lie to their recruits about this.

If. He may just be a complete and utter total moron.

I think ISIS should be more fearful of us than we should be of them.

[Tiberius]

I wish people would stop with this "explanation". The Obama administration came up with the list of countries as "countries of concern". They are all either at war / civil war / politically unstable.

As much I dislike Trump the fact that he has no business interests in the named countries seems to be little more than coincidence.

Sorry Tibs but this is not a case of Trump following up on Obama's work. It's clear that Trump felt/was advised to make good on his 'anti-terrorism' ban of muslims entering the country. If we examine the stats we see that there have been no attacks from within the US by migrant citizens of any of the banned nations. However all of the top ranked countries for counts of migrant terrorists are exempt from his ban. Why? If terrorist activity is not on his list of criteria for the ban, what are?

Is it not reasonable to suggest it could be a result of his well-documented personal relationships with heads of state from the countries in which he does business? Is it not reasonable to suggest that a man who has already taken great pains, on a number of occasions, to protect his business assets in spite of the conflicts of interest with his presidency, might do so once again?

I never claimed the ban was following up on Obama's work, but it is an undeniable fact that the list of countries banned was originally produced by the Obama administration: https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.cnn.com...index.html

Clearly it was not the intention of Obama to ban immigration from these countries, but all the same, his administration did produce the list, and Trump used the list to justify the ban.

So no, it's not reasonable to suggest he chose these countries based on his business interests. Its just not true.

Now, when he starts banning immigration from more countries that weren't identified by the Obama administration, we'll see whether he chooses them based on any business related factors, but for now, as I said, it seems to be coincidence.