snowdown

[Marsellus Wallace]

Most ppl stand with this guy and see him as a hero, but I see him as someone who betrayed the trust that was given to him.

So what they do extensive surveillance to get the bad guys ? every country with enough power does it, just like russia interfering with the polls and hacking hillary's email.

How else would they get the bad guys, everyone now sends messages to communicate, even terrorists. It's no longer done by stalking suspects, it's an advanced world and it needs advanced systems to get things done.

If 9/11 was an inside job, iraq and afghanistan wars and the arab spring were all part of a great scheme to bring the arab world down, I accept that, as long as it will bring this shit part of the world down, it's not just a different culture, it's a cancerous part of the world, they're not pure evil, they're trying to defend their countries with whatever means possible. 
You don't know how many attacks prevented and saved ur lives because of these programs that doesn't give a fuck about moral codes. fuck morals, they only hold back maximum potential.

I'm not siding with USA, i'm just saying it's a game, and he was a part of it with ppl who trusted him, but he decided to be a traitor.

PS: "i got nothing to hide" is definitely not my argument here.

[Aegon]

Can that be what we nickname the stand-off between Snowden and the government? "SNOWDOWN"

I am a firm believer in government transparency. I commend what he and other leakers do (as long as they are doing it for the sake of transparency and not with a political agenda) (looking at you, Wikileaks)

The people who claim he is a traitor make me laugh. The government is the one who betrayed you when they violated your liberties.

[Kosh]

Can that be what we nickname the stand-off between Snowden and the government? "SNOWDOWN"  

I am a firm believer in government transparency. I commend what he and other leakers do (as long as they are doing it for the sake of transparency and not with a political agenda) (looking at you, Wikileaks)

The people who claim he is a traitor make me laugh. The government is the one who betrayed you when they violated your liberties.

I agree Aegon. 

At some point the ends don't justify the means.

[Thumpalumpacus]

fuck morals, they only hold back maximum potential.

Yeah, no.

[Faith No More]

 fuck morals, they only hold back maximum potential.

So, morals are holding you back from getting a job flipping burgers at McDonald's?

[Marsellus Wallace]

 fuck morals, they only hold back maximum potential.

So, morals are holding you back from getting a job flipping burgers at McDonald's?

the difference between "they only" and "they're the only thing that"

[Shell B]

I feel like the reality is that he's both. He's a bit of a traitor, but that's not *always* a bad thing.

As for your OP, yeah, spying on the baddies isn't a problem. That's not what Snowden leaked. It's that they were spying on fucking all of us. That's worse than the shit that made us rebel against England by miles. The founding fathers would have shit a motherfucking collective brick. Our government was doing something very wrong. They got caught. Boofuckinghoo.

[Marsellus Wallace]

fuck morals, they only hold back maximum potential.

Yeah, no.

yes

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I feel like the reality is that he's both. He's a bit of a traitor, but that's not *always* a bad thing.

As for your OP, yeah, spying on the baddies isn't a problem. That's not what Snowden leaked. It's that they were spying on fucking all of us. That's worse than the shit that made us rebel against England by miles. The founding fathers would have shit a motherfucking collective brick. Our government was doing something very wrong. They got caught. Boofuckinghoo.

How else are they gonna know he's a bad guy, unless they monitor him and many others ?

[Minimalist]

I feel like the reality is that he's both. He's a bit of a traitor, but that's not *always* a bad thing.

As for your OP, yeah, spying on the baddies isn't a problem. That's not what Snowden leaked. It's that they were spying on fucking all of us. That's worse than the shit that made us rebel against England by miles. The founding fathers would have shit a motherfucking collective brick. Our government was doing something very wrong. They got caught. Boofuckinghoo.

Worse.  They lied about it.

http://thehill.com/policy/defense/304009...gram-began-

Testifying before the Senate Intelligence Committee, Clapper denied allegations by panel members the NSA conducted electronic surveillance of Americans on U.S. soil. 
"Does the NSA collect any type of data at all on millions or hundreds of millions of Americans?" committee member Sen. Ron Wyden (D-Ore.) asked Clapper during the March 12 hearing. 
In response, Clapper replied quickly: "No, sir." 
"There are cases where they could inadvertently perhaps collect [intelligence on Americans], but not wittingly," the U.S. intelligence chief told Wyden and the rest of the committee.

I submit that what Clapper did was far worse than what Snowden did.

[Shell B]

How else are they gonna know he's a bad guy, unless they monitor him and many others ?

Intelligence, in both senses of the word.