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RE: The Trinity and Mary
May 19, 2017 at 4:33 pm
(This post was last modified: May 19, 2017 at 5:36 pm by Lek.)
Jesus was man and God. As man he became like the rest of us and voluntarily assumed a role beneath God. How he was man and God at the same time we don't understand. Concerning Mary and the saints, catholics do pray to them as intercessors between them and God. Christians also ask one another to pray for them in the same way. By the way, Mary was no more a daughter of God than any other believing woman and no I know christian is worried about incest between her and the Holy Spirit. I must admit that's the first time I heard that one.
What kind of words do think we should hear spoken of Jesus in prophesy? If the prophet doesn't use his proper name does that mean he's not prophesying about him? I'm just going to post this link in that regard:
https://www.thoughtco.com/prophecies-of-...led-700159
The trinity is spoken of numerous times in scripture. The father is called God, the Holy Spirit is called God and Jesus is called God and the Bible proclaims one God. Now you can say many things about the authors of the bible, but they were not stupid enough to blatantly contradict themselves. It wouldn't have sold well.
You said that my statement about my belief coming from personal revelation from God is akin to saying I just "feel' it. Not true. My faith is based on solid revelation. I've also researched and considered alternatives, such as three and a half years in this forum. I've deliberately opened myself to all the questions. It's not simply a feeling.
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RE: The Trinity and Mary
May 19, 2017 at 4:53 pm
At the age of five, Skagra decided emphatically that God did not exist. This revelation tends to make most people in the universe who have it react in one of two ways - with relief or with despair. Only Skagra responded to it by thinking, 'Wait a second. That means there's a situation vacant.'
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RE: The Trinity and Mary
May 19, 2017 at 5:42 pm
See? You just proved that it would have been impossible to make this stuff up.
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RE: The Trinity and Mary
May 19, 2017 at 5:44 pm
(May 19, 2017 at 5:42 pm)Lek Wrote: See? You just proved that it would have been impossible to make this stuff up.
Oh, my.
You are clueless. Poor dear.
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RE: The Trinity and Mary
May 19, 2017 at 5:48 pm
Then it's impossible. Great, we agree.
At the age of five, Skagra decided emphatically that God did not exist. This revelation tends to make most people in the universe who have it react in one of two ways - with relief or with despair. Only Skagra responded to it by thinking, 'Wait a second. That means there's a situation vacant.'
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RE: The Trinity and Mary
May 19, 2017 at 6:47 pm
(May 19, 2017 at 5:44 pm)Lutrinae Wrote: (May 19, 2017 at 5:42 pm)Lek Wrote: See? You just proved that it would have been impossible to make this stuff up.
Oh, my.
You are clueless. Poor dear.
It was supposed to be a joke. I've gotta start using those silly smiley faces.
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RE: The Trinity and Mary
May 19, 2017 at 6:50 pm
(May 19, 2017 at 6:47 pm)Lek Wrote: It was supposed to be a joke. I've gotta start using those silly smiley faces.
Not necessarily.
It is just my unfamiliarity with how you post when you are joking, since everything you normally post is so serious.
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RE: The Trinity and Mary
May 20, 2017 at 4:06 am
(This post was last modified: May 20, 2017 at 4:08 am by Fake Messiah.)
(May 19, 2017 at 4:33 pm)Lek Wrote: As man he became like the rest of us and voluntarily assumed a role beneath God. How he was man and God at the same time we don't understand.
Indeed it is impossible to understand. If a man died then nobody is saved, because the death of a man could save no one. If God died on the cross then we have an impossibility. God can not die. If the God/Man died, then we have either an impossibility or an insufficiency.
(May 19, 2017 at 4:33 pm)Lek Wrote: By the way, Mary was no more a daughter of God than any other believing woman and no I know christian is worried about incest between her and the Holy Spirit
Last I heard is that God being is the Father of all mankind and God and Christ being one, she was his daughter and also his sister.
(May 19, 2017 at 4:33 pm)Lek Wrote: Now you can say many things about the authors of the bible, but they were not stupid enough to blatantly contradict themselves. It wouldn't have sold well.
Well it is very questionable how much it was actually read. For instance in medieval times the Bible was only in Latin so mostly priests and monks could have read it and they're in for the money. Then later when it was translated people did point it out, but as you may know those were few brave people because Church didn't look kindly at people that questioned the Bible.
(May 19, 2017 at 4:33 pm)Lek Wrote: You said that my statement about my belief coming from personal revelation from God is akin to saying I just "feel' it. Not true. My faith is based on solid revelation. I've also researched and considered alternatives, such as three and a half years in this forum. I've deliberately opened myself to all the questions. It's not simply a feeling.
Still, how would you differentiate your belief from a delusion? We have unshakable testimony of countless people who feel in their heart that the Emperor of Japan is divine, or that Muhammad's revelations in the Koran are true. How do you know you're not delusional? I think you're not aware how easily it is for human brain to be tricked. Fro instance horror movies do this. If I watch a scary movie I may get a feeling that somebody is watching me, although I know I'm alone in the room. That feeling can be really believable and I can imagine if there were people that would encourage me to hod to this feeling and praise me for it I may even see it as a revelation. Especially if my family and other people went trough the same thing.
teachings of the Bible are so muddled and self-contradictory that it was possible for Christians to happily burn heretics alive for five long centuries. It was even possible for the most venerated patriarchs of the Church, like St. Augustine and St. Thomas Aquinas, to conclude that heretics should be tortured (Augustine) or killed outright (Aquinas). Martin Luther and John Calvin advocated the wholesale murder of heretics, apostates, Jews, and witches. - Sam Harris, "Letter To A Christian Nation"
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RE: The Trinity and Mary
May 20, 2017 at 3:37 pm
Okay. I've made my point and I'll just stand pat on what I said.
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RE: The Trinity and Mary
May 23, 2017 at 8:38 am
(May 19, 2017 at 4:33 pm)Lek Wrote: You said that my statement about my belief coming from personal revelation from God is akin to saying I just "feel' it. Not true. My faith is based on solid revelation. I've also researched and considered alternatives, such as three and a half years in this forum. I've deliberately opened myself to all the questions. It's not simply a feeling.
What's the difference between personal revelation and feeling?
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