An ex-muslim fasting ramadan

[Brian37]

Secularism merely means "neutral" as in "neither for or against any label, but treat everyone equally under the law"

I don't see how atheism has anything to do with booze, or orgies in public, atheists are a MINORITY in America, Christians are the majority.

FYI in most locations outside your own house, or outside a bar, in most places in America drinking in public is ILLEGAL. And while there are nudist camps and even swingers clubs, not even sex in public is legal. 

I love how some people work up this childish delusional "lawlessness" of the west.

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I have a local gas station I walk to frequently to buy beer. Even if I had that beer in a paper bag, and was drinking it in public walking home, that would give a police officer probable cause to stop me, and if I was drunk, even without driving, arrest me. If I was not drunk, could still make me poor it out give me a warning, or write me a ticket for drinking in public. 

The reality is I only have the right to buy the beer, NO DRINKING AND DRIVING, or even walking drunk, take my beer home and at best drink it in my back yard or on my porch or in my house.

The Middle East has a dominating understanding that labels "atheists" and "westerners" as overlords who control everything and drink and sex openly.

The defeated attitude is attributed to WW1's defeat of the Ottoman empire; that resulted in the full establishing of new countries that never existed; under the known agreement of Sykes-Picot.

Since the natives of these regions surrendered their fates and their future to the winning side in WW1, the resulting culture that dominated every of the newly created states was a culture of darkness, misunderstanding, confusion and chaos.

It's the Arabian Middle ages; dark ages.

So that's that. In the Middle East; irreligious = atheist.
Christian= wine and property
Blonde westerner= God
Black = the "N" word. AKA Abd in the local tongue.
Whiskey= civilization

Ask why this region never advance.

SteelCurtain

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lebanese_Civil_War

Correct me if I am wrong, but were you not the one that said in Saudi Arabia there is a dark web even conservative Muslims use to look at porn?

America has had an unfortunate history of colonialism and that part I don't like. While it should not be our job to play world's police, it is also physically impossible for ANY nation not to interact to some degree globally. Most westerners would prefer not to get into wars, although our war hawks in America have far too much of a tendency to control our military narrative.

But as far as booze and orgies in public, that is absolute nonsense. We do allow drinking, but not drinking and driving, not even drinking on a public sidewalk. Yes we do have strip joints, nudist clubs and even swingers clubs. But you are not going to hop on a public bus here and see a dozen people fucking each other, they would get arrested. Public sex is not legal.


The middle east has a dominating false perception, not an understanding, if they did understand they wouldn't be freaking out as much as they do.

[The Grand Nudger]

Some have mistaken us for a culture that isn't brimming with abrahamic prudes, ourselves.

[Bosnian_Atheist]

No one fast in my family and no one care if you don't fast.

[CapnAwesome]

I still sneak in some water and food.  And I live in Lebanon, so it is now hot.  
Ramadan is the 9th month and considered special, where Muslims have to fast from dusk till sunset, they abstain from food, water, tobacco, and sex. And 

Dusk is technically "sunset".
See this topic:
https://atheistforums.org/thread-49108.html
Fasting takes place from "Sunrise" until "Sunset".
In other words; from "Dawn" until "Dusk".
See this verse:

Sura 2, Page 29, The Quran:
( 187 )   It has been made permissible for you the night preceding fasting to go to your wives [for sexual relations]. They are clothing for you and you are clothing for them. Allah knows that you used to deceive yourselves, so He accepted your repentance and forgave you. So now, have relations with them and seek that which Allah has decreed for you. And eat and drink until the white thread of dawn becomes distinct to you from the black thread [of night]. Then complete the fast until the sunset. And do not have relations with them as long as you are staying for worship in the mosques. These are the limits [set by] Allah, so do not approach them. Thus does Allah make clear His ordinances to the people that they may become righteous.

So it begins at dawn, and ends at sunset.

In 2014 or 2012 Northen Lebanon, islamists threw a grenade at a restaurant or cafe during ramadan.

At iftar (when Muslims break their fast) they gorge on multiple platters in starvation quickly, which is harmful to the digestive system, and they wake up in the dusk to eat before engaging their fast, causing morning heartburn and weight gain. 

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America just dropped a MOAB and fired cruise missiles at Syria?
There was an explosion yesterday in Afghanistan that dropped more than 90 civilians dead?


Lebanon biggest problem is the drug cartels controlling its ghettos?
Gas in Lebanon is so expensive, I don't think it's affordable by the mainstream worker?
In other words; non-religious figureheads, seculars, jews, Israelies, Shiite Muslims, Sunni Muslims, nationalists, western operatives and more people with more agendas are sparking madness into the tiny Lebanon produced by Sykes-Picot treatment after WW1....

And you whine about a grenade thrown at a cafe? 
So is the whining you spread, any more authentic than the imaginary dusk to sunset Ramadan you go through?

What a waste of time..whining and whining.

Secularism and atheism are nothing but freedom to drink whiskey, shag women on public and fart on the nearest hand grenade toss to you; I bet ><

Did you just say someone is a whiner for saying that grenades shouldn't be thrown at them just for going to a café? Get a grip.

[Cyberman]

He's just jealous that we're allowed to fart on handgrenades.

[WinterHold]

Did you just say someone is a whiner for saying that grenades shouldn't be thrown at them just for going to a café? Get a grip.

Yes. When your country just hosted civil war that caused 120,000 fatalities, gave birth to the infamous Hezbollah militia, and just took place 40 years ago; then you're being a super drama-queen whining about a single hand-grenade thrown at a cafe.

Solution wise; I think Lebanon has more important problems to solve. In my humble opinion; this grenade toss is just not equal to a truck loaded with tons of TNT set to explode in a Shiite neighborhood, or a Christian neighborhood.