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Why can't Trump supporters admit there is something wrong with him
RE: Why can't Trump supporters admit there is something wrong with him
(June 21, 2017 at 1:20 pm)Khemikal Wrote: -opportunity passes us by, again, to respond to those comparisons ...........as if there aren't 16 pages of comparisons in this thread alone to respond to. 

Instead of doing that, you babble about my "motives"...as though it would matter if I had "motives" or you could accurately identify them.  The comparisons of trump to hitler would still be as accurate as they are even if I was a deep state provacatuer actively engaged in the #fake news front.  How many times can you make the same mistakes in a single conversation?


The comparisons are flimsy, and mean nothing of consequence.  


Let's look at the Illegal Mexican Immigrant/Jew comparison for example:

Trump says many illegal immigrants are criminals, and that illegal immigration needs to stop, and bad hombres need to be sent back to Mexico.  But he speaks kindly enough of mexican americans, and mexican culture, and occasionally some illegal groups.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/...38f16b39e7

Here's an article where conservatives are mad, because he issued/renewed work permits and extended the stay of thousands of illegals a couple of weeks ago.

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Contrast with Hitler:

In the statement, he defined the Jews as a race and not a religious community, characterized the effect of a Jewish presence as a “race-tuberculosis of the peoples,” and identified the initial goal of a German government to be discriminatory legislation against Jews. The “ultimate goal must definitely be the removal of the Jews altogether.” Hitler's years in Vienna (1903–1913) and his military service were important stages for his development of a comprehensive racist ideology.

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Trump says illegal immigration from Mexico is a problem, and wants to deport some people, and stem the flow into the country.  Which, I think, is a bipartisan stance.  Never says anything about killing people, or ridding the world of all mexicans, and even says nice things about mexican americans, some illegals, and taco bowls.

Hitler says Jews are a disease, and that they should be removed altogether.  Not from Germany.  Flat out eradicated.

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Would you say those two things are something you would consider to be an accurate comparison?
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RE: Why can't Trump supporters admit there is something wrong with him
(June 21, 2017 at 1:16 pm)wallym Wrote: If you picked a more comparable person to Trump than Hitler, you could take the holocaust and WWII stuff out of the equation, and maybe people wouldn't confuse your motives?

If you have such an aversion to the Hitleresque, why in Hell did you cast such an uninformed vote?

Also, the idea that Russian meddling was good for the country is extremely short-sighted. This "transparency" for which you're grateful is nothing of the sort, because they only released the information that they wanted to release in order to serve their own purposes.

But hey, if it helps you feel better about your vote which was worse than wasted -- "actively counter-productive" would be the phrase I'd use -- then keep telling yourself that. Your selectivity in these matters is amazing. You're having a two-day-long OCD fit about people comparing Trump to Hitler, and hardly a peep except to praise a foreign country subverting our electoral process?

Anything to justify a stupid vote, apparently ... anything at all.

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RE: Why can't Trump supporters admit there is something wrong with him
(June 21, 2017 at 3:30 pm)wallym Wrote: Would you say those two things are something you would consider to be an accurate comparison?

He kinda sorta will, but not in a way he can't deny later, and put in a lot of ........s and an lol or two.  Wink
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RE: Why can't Trump supporters admit there is something wrong with him
(June 21, 2017 at 3:30 pm)wallym Wrote: Let's look at the Illegal Mexican Immigrant/Jew comparison for example:

Trump says many illegal immigrants are criminals, and that illegal immigration needs to stop, and bad hombres need to be sent back to Mexico.  But he speaks kindly enough of mexican americans, and mexican culture, and occasionally some illegal groups.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/...38f16b39e7

Here's an article where conservatives are mad, because he issued/renewed work permits and extended the stay of thousands of illegals a couple of weeks ago.

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Contrast with Hitler:

In the statement, he defined the Jews as a race and not a religious community, characterized the effect of a Jewish presence as a “race-tuberculosis of the peoples,” and identified the initial goal of a German government to be discriminatory legislation against Jews. The “ultimate goal must definitely be the removal of the Jews altogether.” Hitler's years in Vienna (1903–1913) and his military service were important stages for his development of a comprehensive racist ideology.

Now look at his stated policies and intents towards Muslims.

Yes, that's right. You assiduously avoided the elephant in the room in order to deliberately pick the least apt comparison.

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RE: Why can't Trump supporters admit there is something wrong with him
(June 21, 2017 at 3:30 pm)wallym Wrote:
(June 21, 2017 at 1:20 pm)Khemikal Wrote: -opportunity passes us by, again, to respond to those comparisons ...........as if there aren't 16 pages of comparisons in this thread alone to respond to. 

Instead of doing that, you babble about my "motives"...as though it would matter if I had "motives" or you could accurately identify them.  The comparisons of trump to hitler would still be as accurate as they are even if I was a deep state provacatuer actively engaged in the #fake news front.  How many times can you make the same mistakes in a single conversation?


The comparisons are flimsy, and mean nothing of consequence.  


Let's look at the Illegal Mexican Immigrant/Jew comparison for example:

Trump says many illegal immigrants are criminals, and that illegal immigration needs to stop, and bad hombres need to be sent back to Mexico.  But he speaks kindly enough of mexican americans, and mexican culture, and occasionally some illegal groups.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/...38f16b39e7

Here's an article where conservatives are mad, because he issued/renewed work permits and extended the stay of thousands of illegals a couple of weeks ago.

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Contrast with Hitler:

In the statement, he defined the Jews as a race and not a religious community, characterized the effect of a Jewish presence as a “race-tuberculosis of the peoples,” and identified the initial goal of a German government to be discriminatory legislation against Jews. The “ultimate goal must definitely be the removal of the Jews altogether.” Hitler's years in Vienna (1903–1913) and his military service were important stages for his development of a comprehensive racist ideology.

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Trump says illegal immigration from Mexico is a problem, and wants to deport some people, and stem the flow into the country.  Which, I think, is a bipartisan stance.  Never says anything about killing people, or ridding the world of all mexicans, and even says nice things about mexican americans, some illegals, and taco bowls.

Hitler says Jews are a disease, and that they should be removed altogether.  Not from Germany.  Flat out eradicated.

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Would you say those two things are something you would consider to be an accurate comparison?

Sure would, you're still operating under the mistaken assumption that trump has to -be- hitler and do exactly what hitler did exactly how hitler did it to be compared -to- hitler.  

Trump blows a dog whistle on mexicans, he's not so reserved on muslims.  Must feel that, in general, there are more anti-muslim bigots in america than anti mexican ones.  Fun fact, Hitlers early statements regarding jews were not overtly racial, but overtly social.  Bad hombres who don't believe in our way of life, who aren't like us, who are hurting us.  That's why they needed concentration camps,  bigger la migra presence, and the destruction of civil liberties and human rights.  Fuck, sorry, that was trump again. Here you are, wheedling around on some nonsense about overt and covert racism as though it mattered, congratulations, I hope you're proud of yourself.

Let's be generous to the point of incredulity, though, and imagine that a person doesn't have to personally be a racist to use racist ideology or supporters, or to support racist ideology or actions. After all, you're not a racist..and you supported it.  You seem to be suggesting that either Trump wasn't a dirty racist, or that somehow arriving at the same result through means other than racism would alter the accuracy of my comparisons.  It doesn't, and I don't care whether or not trump is as racist as hitler was anywhere near as much as I care whether or not the president of the US called for ethnically loaded concentration camps..like hitler...which he did and is a matter of public record. He conveniently signed his name to it on tv...just to make sure no one doubted who did that.

Plenty of racists manage to contain themselves...and in these united states, you're not going to be able to avoid a racist in office. Our system is supposed to constrain them, though, and prevent them from doing the racist things that racists do..or, if you insist, that totally not racist people™ do.

Jerkoff
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RE: Why can't Trump supporters admit there is something wrong with him
(June 21, 2017 at 3:38 pm)Thumpalumpacus Wrote:
(June 21, 2017 at 1:16 pm)wallym Wrote: If you picked a more comparable person to Trump than Hitler, you could take the holocaust and WWII stuff out of the equation, and maybe people wouldn't confuse your motives?

If you have such an aversion to the Hitleresque, why in Hell did you cast such an uninformed vote?

Also, the idea that Russian meddling was good for the country is extremely short-sighted. This "transparency" for which you're grateful is nothing of the sort, because they only released the information that they wanted to release in order to serve their own purposes.

But hey, if it helps you feel better about your vote which was worse than wasted -- "actively counter-productive" would be the phrase I'd use -- then keep telling yourself that. Your selectivity in these matters is amazing. You're having a two-day-long OCD fit about people comparing Trump to Hitler, and hardly a peep except to praise a foreign country subverting our electoral process?

Anything to justify a stupid vote, apparently ... anything at all.

Here's how I view this particular instance of Russian meddling.

Imagine some asshole wants to break up your marriage.  That's a dick thing to do, and you are justifiable pissed.  But then the asshole shows you a video he took of your wife getting plowed in the ass by her yoga instructor.  

Then your wife gets home and says "Forget the video of me getting plowed in the ass by the yoga instructor, we should be outraged he's trying to break  up our marriage!"

The primary Russian meddling, in this case, was exposing that the DNC was actively rigging the primary for Hillary.  

Russia's still an asshole, but I'm glad it's out there that the DNC was subverting our electoral process.
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You also come across as very angry.  That shits not healthy.  Loosen up!  That give you tumors.
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RE: Why can't Trump supporters admit there is something wrong with him
That wasn't the primary russian meddling at all.......lol. The primary meddling, was the subversion of our electoral process...........

Quick question. How many keks are we awarded for every "umadbro"? Wink
I am the Infantry. I am my country’s strength in war, her deterrent in peace. I am the heart of the fight… wherever, whenever. I carry America’s faith and honor against her enemies. I am the Queen of Battle. I am what my country expects me to be, the best trained Soldier in the world. In the race for victory, I am swift, determined, and courageous, armed with a fierce will to win. Never will I fail my country’s trust. Always I fight on…through the foe, to the objective, to triumph overall. If necessary, I will fight to my death. By my steadfast courage, I have won more than 200 years of freedom. I yield not to weakness, to hunger, to cowardice, to fatigue, to superior odds, For I am mentally tough, physically strong, and morally straight. I forsake not, my country, my mission, my comrades, my sacred duty. I am relentless. I am always there, now and forever. I AM THE INFANTRY! FOLLOW ME!
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RE: Why can't Trump supporters admit there is something wrong with him
(June 21, 2017 at 3:53 pm)Khemikal Wrote:
(June 21, 2017 at 3:30 pm)wallym Wrote: The comparisons are flimsy, and mean nothing of consequence.  


Let's look at the Illegal Mexican Immigrant/Jew comparison for example:

Trump says many illegal immigrants are criminals, and that illegal immigration needs to stop, and bad hombres need to be sent back to Mexico.  But he speaks kindly enough of mexican americans, and mexican culture, and occasionally some illegal groups.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/...38f16b39e7

Here's an article where conservatives are mad, because he issued/renewed work permits and extended the stay of thousands of illegals a couple of weeks ago.

---

Contrast with Hitler:

In the statement, he defined the Jews as a race and not a religious community, characterized the effect of a Jewish presence as a “race-tuberculosis of the peoples,” and identified the initial goal of a German government to be discriminatory legislation against Jews. The “ultimate goal must definitely be the removal of the Jews altogether.” Hitler's years in Vienna (1903–1913) and his military service were important stages for his development of a comprehensive racist ideology.

---

Trump says illegal immigration from Mexico is a problem, and wants to deport some people, and stem the flow into the country.  Which, I think, is a bipartisan stance.  Never says anything about killing people, or ridding the world of all mexicans, and even says nice things about mexican americans, some illegals, and taco bowls.

Hitler says Jews are a disease, and that they should be removed altogether.  Not from Germany.  Flat out eradicated.

---

Would you say those two things are something you would consider to be an accurate comparison?

Sure would, you're still operating under the mistaken assumption that trump has to -be- hitler and do exactly what hitler did exactly how hitler did it to be compared -to- hitler.  

Trump blows a dog whistle on mexicans, he's not so reserved on muslims.  Must feel that, in general, there are more anti-muslim bigots in america than anti mexican ones.  Fun fact, Hitlers early statements regarding jews were not overtly racial, but overtly social.  Bad hombres who don't believe in our way of life, who aren't like us, who are hurting us.  That's why they needed concentration camps,  bigger la migra presence, and the destruction of civil liberties and human rights.  Fuck, sorry, that was trump again.

Let's be generous to the point of incredulity, though, and imagine that a person doesn't have to personally be a racist to use racist ideology or supporters, or to call for concentration camps or any of the above.  You seem to be suggesting that either Trump wasn't a dirty racist, or that somehow arriving at the same result through means other than racism would alter the accuracy of my comparisons.  It doesn't, and I don't care whether or not trump is as racist as hitler was.  Plenty of racists manage to contain themselves...and in these united states, you're not going to be able to avoid a racist in office.  Our system is supposed to constrain them, and prevent them from doing the things that racists do..or, if you insist, that totally not racist people™ do.

Jerkoff

The Bolded:  The article I cut and paste Hitler's comments from were from 1919, and article prefaced the quotes with "On September 16, 1919, Hitler issues his first written comment on the so-called Jewish Question."

http://www.snopes.com/trump-building-con...ion-camps/

Turns out all the presidents are just like Hitler.  There were already a vast number of immigration detention centers along the southern border.  Can't just believe everything you see Aunt Gerta posts on Facebook.

And Bad Hombres ARE bad hombres.  There's shitloads of human/drug trafficking on the Mexican border.  Do you think those are Nice Hombres?  Do you not want them detained?  I'd suggest prison rather than one of those 'concentration camps', JUST LIKE HITLER HAD!!! (except the detention centers have a bit less lack of murder, medical experimentation, they don't starve them, and they eventually let them go, I assume)  But still an accurate comparison.
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RE: Why can't Trump supporters admit there is something wrong with him
-Hitler, on the Poles

Quote:Poles are the most intelligent of all the people with whom Germany came across during the war in Europe... Poles in my opinion and basing on the observation and reports from the General Government, are the only nation in Europe that combines high intelligence with the incredible cleverness. They are the most talented people in Europe, because while living in extremely difficult political circumstances, acquired the great sense of living, unparalleled anywhere.

He said nice things, very nice things.  They were some of the best people, believe him........  

Somehow, Poles still managed to end up in concentration camps, and they weren't even jews.

You're back, again..above..to the "other people did it too!" theory of defense against comparisons. When has that ever worked? Yes, other people have done it too, one of them was hitler. QED.

Do you think I -don't- have a problem with our history of concentration camps? Our american concentration camps aren;t exactly known for "letting them go", btw. They're more known for creating a system so like chattel slavery that it begins to seem pitiless to pretend that it's part of a "justice" system. One that actively resists anyone being "let go" and lobbies for more people to be concentrated therein. There's alot of money to be made in concentration camps. Perhaps this, and not racism, is why trump wanted them?
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RE: Why can't Trump supporters admit there is something wrong with him
(June 21, 2017 at 4:19 pm)Khemikal Wrote: -Hitler, on the Poles

Quote:Poles are the most intelligent of all the people with whom Germany came across during the war in Europe... Poles in my opinion and basing on the observation and reports from the General Government, are the only nation in Europe that combines high intelligence with the incredible cleverness. They are the most talented people in Europe, because while living in extremely difficult political circumstances, acquired the great sense of living, unparalleled anywhere.

He said nice things, very nice things.  They were some of the best people, believe him........  

Somehow, Poles still managed to end up in concentration camps, and they weren't even jews.

So your conclusion is that because Hitler, the guy who stated he wanted to eliminate all Jews from the planet, was still a threat to the Poles even though he said nice things.  

Trump, who stated he wants to deport some criminal illegal immigrants, is a threat to do what to who?  

Follow through on your conclusion.  No reason to make people guess.

(June 21, 2017 at 4:19 pm)Khemikal Wrote: -Hitler, on the Poles

Quote:Poles are the most intelligent of all the people with whom Germany came across during the war in Europe... Poles in my opinion and basing on the observation and reports from the General Government, are the only nation in Europe that combines high intelligence with the incredible cleverness. They are the most talented people in Europe, because while living in extremely difficult political circumstances, acquired the great sense of living, unparalleled anywhere.

He said nice things, very nice things.  They were some of the best people, believe him........  

Somehow, Poles still managed to end up in concentration camps, and they weren't even jews.

You're back, again..above..to the "other people did it too!" theory of defense against comparisons.  When has that ever worked? Yes, other people have done it too, one of them was hitler.  QED.

Do you think I -don't- have a problem with our history of concentration camps?  Our american concentration camps aren;t exactly known for "letting them go", btw.  They're more known for creating a system so like chattel slavery that it begins to seem pitiless to pretend that it's part of a "justice" system.  One that actively resists anyone being "let go" and lobbies for more people to be concentrated therein.  There's alot of money to be made in concentration camps.  Perhaps this, and not racism, is why trump wanted them?

You should be more blunt.  Say Jails are just like Concentration camps if that's what you want to say.  Why all the meandering?

(June 21, 2017 at 3:40 pm)alpha male Wrote:
(June 21, 2017 at 3:30 pm)wallym Wrote: Would you say those two things are something you would consider to be an accurate comparison?

He kinda sorta will, but not in a way he can't deny later, and put in a lot of ........s and an lol or two.  Wink

It's a pointless conversation, but sociologically speaking, this shit is fascinating as hell.
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