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RE: ...Truth?
June 28, 2017 at 7:24 pm
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(June 28, 2017 at 7:19 pm)mh.brewer Wrote: (June 28, 2017 at 6:54 pm)ManofYesterday Wrote:
Yeah, I read a lot. Do you read at all?
OK, so you just didn't comprehend the killin and rapin part.
Yeah you're going to have to be more specific with that part. I'm Christian, not Muslim.
(June 28, 2017 at 7:23 pm)mh.brewer Wrote: (June 28, 2017 at 7:18 pm)ManofYesterday Wrote: Sure, right after you address the point I've made in this thread. So either address it or admit you're unable to provide a rebuttal for it. Then we can more on to why you're wrong about the existence of God as well.
Address or rebut what, a man made fantasy delusion?
Well that wasn't the point of my original post for this thread. If you think that it was, then there really is no point in talking to you since your reading comprehension appears to be very low.
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RE: ...Truth?
June 28, 2017 at 7:28 pm
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(June 28, 2017 at 7:24 pm)ManofYesterday Wrote: (June 28, 2017 at 7:19 pm)mh.brewer Wrote: OK, so you just didn't comprehend the killin and rapin part.
Yeah you're going to have to be more specific with that part. I'm Christian, not Muslim.
Gosh, you're right. No killin or rapin in the name of god in the christian bible.
(June 28, 2017 at 7:24 pm)ManofYesterday Wrote: (June 28, 2017 at 7:19 pm)mh.brewer Wrote: OK, so you just didn't comprehend the killin and rapin part.
Yeah you're going to have to be more specific with that part. I'm Christian, not Muslim.
(June 28, 2017 at 7:23 pm)mh.brewer Wrote: Address or rebut what, a man made fantasy delusion?
Well that wasn't the point of my original post for this thread. If you think that it was, then there really is no point in talking to you since your reading comprehension appears to be very low.
Dodge ball also? That was the motivation behind the point. Get on with it.
I don't have an anger problem, I have an idiot problem.
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June 28, 2017 at 7:33 pm
(June 28, 2017 at 7:28 pm)mh.brewer Wrote: (June 28, 2017 at 7:24 pm)ManofYesterday Wrote: Yeah you're going to have to be more specific with that part. I'm Christian, not Muslim.
Gosh, you're right. No killin or rapin in the name of god in the christian bible.
(June 28, 2017 at 7:24 pm)ManofYesterday Wrote: Yeah you're going to have to be more specific with that part. I'm Christian, not Muslim.
Well that wasn't the point of my original post for this thread. If you think that it was, then there really is no point in talking to you since your reading comprehension appears to be very low.
Dodge ball also? That was the motivation behind the point. Get on with it.
People can kill and rape in the name of anything. What's your point?
Until you actually address my point in this thread, I have no interest in starting another discussion with you. You've already screwed this one up. Just admit you're unable to rebut the point I made about atheism. Man up (or woman up).
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RE: ...Truth?
June 28, 2017 at 7:46 pm
(June 28, 2017 at 7:33 pm)ManofYesterday Wrote: (June 28, 2017 at 7:28 pm)mh.brewer Wrote: Gosh, you're right. No killin or rapin in the name of god in the christian bible.
Dodge ball also? That was the motivation behind the point. Get on with it.
People can kill and rape in the name of anything. What's your point?
Until you actually address my point in this thread, I have no interest in starting another discussion with you. You've already screwed this one up. Just admit you're unable to rebut the point I made about atheism. Man up (or woman up).
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That they did it in the name if god. The book makes it pretty clear that was the minions motivation.
What point?
I don't have an anger problem, I have an idiot problem.
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June 28, 2017 at 7:59 pm
(June 28, 2017 at 7:46 pm)mh.brewer Wrote: (June 28, 2017 at 7:33 pm)ManofYesterday Wrote: People can kill and rape in the name of anything. What's your point?
Until you actually address my point in this thread, I have no interest in starting another discussion with you. You've already screwed this one up. Just admit you're unable to rebut the point I made about atheism. Man up (or woman up).
bold mine
That they did it in the name if god. The book makes it pretty clear that was the minions motivation.
What point?
A person can eat pizza, kill people, or rape in the name of anything. Again, what's your point? Is that it?
Yeah you want to interact with my original point now or are you done?
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RE: ...Truth?
June 28, 2017 at 8:07 pm
(June 28, 2017 at 3:20 pm)Definitely Disillusioned Wrote: where in an atheistic worldview is there any impetus for this search for truth? From an atheistic point of view, truth has no intrinsic value (if I'm wrong here, I'd love to hear an argument for an intrinsic value of truth from an atheistic perspective), so in an isolated world, there's no reason to search for it apart from whim,
The desire for understanding seems to have some evolutionary foundation. I assume that's why we made up God's to begin with. Trying to explain stuff we can't explain. So I'd guess it's not a world view, as much as biological impulse, to some degree.
As for 'more than a whim', if you're looking to maximize something in life, it's essentially a math problem. And doing math problems is a lot easier if you know the actual numbers in the equation. Truth gives us the actual numbers. Actual data seems preferable to achieving goals than incorrect data. If I want to live a long happy life, maybe smoking cigarretes will make me happy. But if I know they cause cancer and early death, I can factor that into my decision on whether I want to smoke. For myself, life is an issue of practicality. What do I want/not want, how do I best achieve/avoid it.
There are times knowing the truth can be unfortunate. But I'd say it's better to know than not know enough, that further exploration is usually justified. At least in a cushy 1st world setting.
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June 28, 2017 at 8:23 pm
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(June 28, 2017 at 5:55 pm)Definitely Disillusioned Wrote: There's nothing to refute; perhaps you misunderstood. That statement does answer my original question: what makes you pursue truth? Thank you. For you, your decision seems to be arbitrary. In other words, for you, truth is not something that ought to be pursued, you just pursue it because. As I said to the other person who came to the same conclusion, I'll accept arbitrariness as an explanation.
What the post was originally about was a deeper value of truth. Atheistic philosophers such as Bertrand Russell seem to pursue it for its own sake, and most atheists I've experienced hold "not being duped" as their motivation, not arbitrary "truthism." The original question was why "not being duped" is important. Why wouldn't any person living in the world strive to believe as many true things and as few false things as possible? Why does that need an explanation?
Nay_Sayer: “Nothing is impossible if you dream big enough, or in this case, nothing is impossible if you use a barrel of KY Jelly and a miniature horse.”
Wiser words were never spoken.
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RE: ...Truth?
June 28, 2017 at 8:33 pm
(June 28, 2017 at 8:23 pm)LadyForCamus Wrote: (June 28, 2017 at 5:55 pm)Definitely Disillusioned Wrote: There's nothing to refute; perhaps you misunderstood. That statement does answer my original question: what makes you pursue truth? Thank you. For you, your decision seems to be arbitrary. In other words, for you, truth is not something that ought to be pursued, you just pursue it because. As I said to the other person who came to the same conclusion, I'll accept arbitrariness as an explanation.
What the post was originally about was a deeper value of truth. Atheistic philosophers such as Bertrand Russell seem to pursue it for its own sake, and most atheists I've experienced hold "not being duped" as their motivation, not arbitrary "truthism." The original question was why "not being duped" is important. Why wouldn't any person living in the world strive to believe as many true things and as few false things as possible? Why does that need an explanation?
Why do people comment 'beautiful' and 'looking good' on ugly people's Facebook pictures? The truth comes with some negative side effects.
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RE: ...Truth?
June 28, 2017 at 8:47 pm
Oops; didn't realize he flew the coop.
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RE: ...Truth?
June 28, 2017 at 8:50 pm
(June 28, 2017 at 8:47 pm)LadyForCamus Wrote: Oops; didn't realize he flew the coop.
That's some truth I could have used.
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