Australia vs Vatican.

[Succubus]

[vorlon13]

How will we know when the Vatican finally gets serious about pedo priests ?

They will start cooperating with investigations of pedo priests.

[Jackie]

While the Catholic institution, the Vatican has had a horrible history of hiding this type of crime, they did not invent it nor do they own a patent on it. Child molesters exist in every religion and in every nation.

It is certainly required to hold their leaders to account. But just as with adult rape, child molesting is a crime of opportunity and the perp can be anyone, not just a priest, but a Rabbi, Cleric too. They can be your baby sitter, uncle, teacher, cop, dad, even an older brother IE the Duggers. 

Especially with females, there still is a worldwide attitude of victim blaming. Rape in China and India are not as widely reported because even there, girls/women are blamed for any sexual impropriety, no different than the slut shaming that went on in America's past.

At the same time, I do warn society, that we must not ever become over zealous in getting the bad guy, regardless of the charge. There is a reason we have courts not just for molesters or rapists, but for any crime. 

There was a famous daycare center case back in the 80s which got a dozen people arrested and 3 spent time in jail eventually. The problem with the way the prosecution was conducted, is that the children were coaxed into pleasing the court telling them what they wanted to hear. The problem with doing that is that if there were credible charges, all that got destroyed by sloppy interviewing and so whatever facts were true could not be trusted and any valid charges had to be thrown out. And it turned out even with those 3 who did end up in  jail, the accusers later recanted saying they were afraid of getting in trouble if they didn't tell the court what they wanted to hear.

I am all for going after the bad guy, but solely based on facts, and only with proper protocol to insure that you are going after the right person, and not just any person to please the public.

Law investigations, and courts should not be about getting revenge, but about facts and only charging people and convicting them solely based on facts. To not do that, is to set up a mob rule system of revenge. It is far better to let 10 guilty go free than to convict one innocent person.

[brewer]

New Ozzie slang? Well, the poor little blighter just got Pelled all over the place.

[Succubus]

While the Catholic institution, the Vatican has had a horrible history of hiding this type of crime, they did not invent it nor do they own a patent on it. Child molesters exist in every religion and in every nation.

Tu quoque?

It is certainly required to hold their leaders to account. But just as with adult rape, child molesting is a crime of opportunity and the perp can be anyone, not just a priest, but a Rabbi, Cleric too. They can be your baby sitter, uncle, teacher, cop, dad, even an older brother IE the Duggers. 
Especially with females, there still is a worldwide attitude of victim blaming. Rape in China and India are not as widely reported because even there, girls/women are blamed for any sexual impropriety, no different than the slut shaming that went on in America's past.

I agree with all this but I fail to see how it relates in any way to the charges brought against George Pell and by association, the Vatican.

At the same time, I do warn society, that we must not ever become over zealous in getting the bad guy, regardless of the charge. There is a reason we have courts not just for molesters or rapists, but for any crime. 

'You' warn society? You take a lot on yourself? Were those who directed Operation Yewtree, (the Jimmy Savile case) over zealous? There are quite a few disgusting bastards in jail now as a result of police 'zeal' in perusing that case. This is how investigations are carried out in a secular society, the Vatican's approach? David Copperfield would stand in awe at how the Vatican can make people disappear.

There was a famous daycare center case back in the 80s which got a dozen people arrested and 3 spent time in jail eventually. The problem with the way the prosecution was conducted, is that the children were coaxed into pleasing the court telling them what they wanted to hear. The problem with doing that is that if there were credible charges, all that got destroyed by sloppy interviewing and so whatever facts were true could not be trusted and any valid charges had to be thrown out. And it turned out even with those 3 who did end up in  jail, the accusers later recanted saying they were afraid of getting in trouble if they didn't tell the court what they wanted to hear.

Again, how does this relate to the case at hand?

I am all for going after the bad guy, but solely based on facts, and only with proper protocol to insure that you are going after the right person, and not just any person to please the public.

This is pointless rhetoric, truism, unless you can show that the Australian authorities are lax in their methodology.

Law investigations, and courts should not be about getting revenge, but about facts and only charging people and convicting them solely based on facts. To not do that, is to set up a mob rule system of revenge. It is far better to let 10 guilty go free than to convict one innocent person.

Nauseating Cliché. Show me precisely where the Aussie authorities are failing in their handling of this case.

[brewer]

Do you, or anyone, know what he is charged with? If it only kids or does he go after hookers and nuns that just gotta have it? 

Will any hole do?

[vorlon13]

apparently not mine . . .


I'd remember a Cardinal.

[Minimalist]

How will we know when the Vatican finally gets serious about pedo priests ?

They will start cooperating with investigations of pedo priests.

Don't hold your breath.

[The Industrial Atheist]

I don't know about the Catholic Bible but my bible had something to say about obeying the authorities. Of course in Vatican city the church is itself an authority sooo,,,,

[dyresand]

How will we know when the Vatican finally gets serious about pedo priests ?

They will start cooperating with investigations of pedo priests.

When the pope is the last man standing in the Vatican.