Holocaust Denial

[Anomalocaris]

Don't forget the Russians. They helped a bit, too.

I guess they did, but for some reason Ive always had sort of an aversion to reading about them and their exploits.

I vastly prefer reading about the battle of London, Operation Torch and D-day as opposed to anything the Russians did. It just seems like such a bloody, bad and cold place to be at that time, so I prefer not to read about it. I also pity the German soldiers who froze to death and were starved at Stalingrad. Not all of them were Nazis you know!

Btw, I really really hate reading about the Italian campaign. It just was a long hard slog to nowhere it seemed. Ever wonder why hollywood makes so few movies about the Italian theater? There was no Italian campaign version of saving Private Ryan(thoughh the Pacific version, the Thin Red Line is fantastic!!). Perhaps because it was primarily a British/Austrlian venture with only minority Yankee support?

Anyway, the Soviet contribution just doesn't interest me much, so I tend not to read about it.

Let's just say if it were not for the Soviet contribution Europe would be speaking German now.

Throughout 1941-1945 >65% of all German armies were committed to the eastern front, even after D day. 70% of all German military casualties were inflicted by the soviets. The size of the forces involved in the Italian campaign (10-15 divisions) would have been insignificant by the standard of eastern front. Such a force would have been chewed up and spat out in a few days during the peak campaigning season on the eastern front. The entire Italian campaign would not have warranted a foot note if it had been part of the war in the eastern front. The destruction of the German army in the east by the Soviets summer offensive in 1944 doomed Nazi Germany. Compared to the eastern front, the land war in the west is but a side show. Even in late 1944, Hitler believed his hope to stave off defeat lies in shattering the more easily defeated Americans and British in the Ardennes, because there is no hope of making a meaningful dent on the soviets.

[Thumpalumpacus]

I sort of liked the bit about him telling the Jews not to worry about the ovens of the camps, but to instead worry about the eternal oven, i.e Hell.

We can all get a bit sour about what people did to us in the past, but the important thing is to pray to God and serve Him, or else pay the ultimate price

Yes indeed ... were your god real, his hands would be bloodiest.

[GUBU]

This guy has some pretty good points though.

How do you refute him?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-rhGMCYWqKI

That fucktard? If all you're going to do here is post links to neo-Nazi christard arse bandits, get your own septic arse back to stormfront, pronto.

Also, as a catlick, shouldn't you be looking to burn such KJV heretics as your beloved ex-pope (as former head of the inquisition) taught?

[Rev. Rye]

I sort of liked the bit about him telling the Jews not to worry about the ovens of the camps, but to instead worry about the eternal oven, i.e Hell.

We can all get a bit sour about what people did to us in the past, but the important thing is to pray to God and serve Him, or else pay the ultimate price

So, is God supposed to be the bad guy in this scenario? Because even the totures of Auschwitz had an end, whether it's because they died in the camps, or if through luck of the draw they survived to the liberations, or if they were haunted by the memories of what went on and developed PTSD that could only be truly stopped by the sweet release of death (Taddeusz Borowski and Primo Levi come to mind). The fires of Hell, if I recall my theology correctly, don't.

Also, on that note, I have to point out how curious it is that you, a self-proclaimed Catholic, still seem to believe in a literal Hell. I spent my high school in a Catholic boy's school, and we had lots of teachers, but even the most strictly religious tend to consider Hell a bit different from the classical model. In fact, their conception seems closer to this episode of The Twilight Zone:





In Catechismic terms:

"The teaching of the Church affirms the existence of hell and its eternity. Immediately after death the souls of those who die in a state of mortal sin descend into hell, where they suffer the punishments of hell, ‘eternal fire.’ The chief punishment of hell is eternal separation from God, in whom alone man can possess the life and happiness for which he was created and for which he longs"

It's interesting that you still hold on to the traditional view even as the Church itself has moved away from it. 

Overall, any claim to morality seems to be quite hollow when you claim that you are capable than worse cruelty than Hitler himself.

I'm beginning to get tired of trying to give you the benefit of the doubt.

[CatholicDefender]

If one stops to think about, most American Jews don't even practice Judaism, which taken to it's logical conclusion is sort of a legalistic and inconvenient religion.

Yet there are stylistic similarities to Catholicism. Like Catholics, observant Jews fast, pray for the dead and have elaborate religious ceremonies in gorgeous temples, wear luxurious robes and chant in a mysterious language.

Many Jews sadly though just worship themselves and the Holocaust, practicing "Holocaustianity." http://en.metapedia.org/wiki/Holocaustianity

Honestly many of them follow the religion of leftism, where their view of God's will is just the platform of the democratic party and then some. Then again most American (and European Jews) have been fairly left wing for well over a hundred years

In some ways I can understand why, since the holocaust is one of the most horrific,boggling events in modern history.


Also, a noted monk, brother nathanael, a former Jew, has some interesting things to say about this whole Holocaust business https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Phmcv0VYzwU

[Rev. Rye]

Yup. Citing Metapedia, the Neo-Nazi encyclopedia, like it's actually a reputable source for information about the world (outside of White Supremacist bubbles) either you're simply profoundly ignorant or some sort of unusually subtle anti-semitic troll. I don't know which is more likely, but I seriously can't tell if it's worth trying to speak with you like you have anything worthwhile to say.






 Willful ignorance is inexcusable in my book.

[Cyberman]

Catholicdefender, do you have any original views of your own, by any chance?

[CatholicDefender]

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I guess they did, but for some reason Ive always had sort of an aversion to reading about them and their exploits.

I vastly prefer reading about the battle of London, Operation Torch and D-day as opposed to anything the Russians did. It just seems like such a bloody, bad and cold place to be at that time, so I prefer not to read about it. I also pity the German soldiers who froze to death and were starved at Stalingrad. Not all of them were Nazis you know!

Btw, I really really hate reading about the Italian campaign. It just was a long hard slog to nowhere it seemed. Ever wonder why hollywood makes so few movies about the Italian theater? There was no Italian campaign version of saving Private Ryan(thoughh the Pacific version, the Thin Red Line is fantastic!!). Perhaps because it was primarily a British/Austrlian venture with only minority Yankee support?

Anyway, the Soviet contribution just doesn't interest me much, so I tend not to read about it.

Let's just say if it were not for the Soviet contribution Europe would be speaking German now.

Throughout 1941-1945 >65% of all German armies were committed to the eastern front, even after D day.   70% of all German military casualties were inflicted by the soviets.    The size of the forces involved in the Italian campaign (10-15 divisions) would have been insignificant by the standard of eastern front.  Such a force would have been chewed up and spat out in a few days during the peak campaigning season on the eastern front.   The entire Italian campaign would not have warranted a foot note if it had been part of the war in the eastern front.   The destruction of the German army in the east by the Soviets summer offensive in 1944 doomed Nazi Germany.   Compared to the eastern front, the land war in the west is but a side show.   Even in late 1944, Hitler believed his hope to stave off defeat lies in shattering the more easily defeated Americans and British in the Ardennes, because there is no hope of making a meaningful dent on the soviets.
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True enough. But who led the bombing campaign abasing German cities destroying much of the industrial capacity? I believe that was the Yanks and Brits!

[Fake Messiah]

I am somewhat disheartened by the apparent rise of Holocaust denial on the internet and elsewhere.

It seems holocaust denial and anti-semitism are one and the same.

Do you know any ways or info I can throw at those deniers to get them to STFU?!

I would think the biggest argument would be the near dissapearence of Judaism in Europe (i.e, all the traditional strong centers of Jewish culture in Germany and Eastern Europe are pretty much all gone!)

Any ideas?

Well there you go, like I told you just ask him what he would to to Jews if he came to power because this guy hates Jews. He starts the talk lambasting them not to mention that his every sentence is a lie, like "there were six concentration camps" - there were much more and then he proceeds "because Jews love number six" yeah number six that frequently represents Devil to Christians, because I assume it reminds them too much of 666.

Also do yourself and us a favor and watch movie "Denial" (2016)

[Thumpalumpacus]

True enough. But who led the bombing campaign abasing German cities destroying much of the industrial capacity? I believe that was the Yanks and Brits!

Once the bombing campaign shifted focus to the oil economy in 1944, its effects were felt, but until then it contributed very little to the war effort that made a difference at the front. Fun fact: German arms production peaked in 1944 -- after two years of bombing. It was only after the oil industry was attacked that the bomber missions began to be felt in the field.

The only real difference those bombers made prior to then was the diversion of thousands of AA guns from the Eastern Front. Those 88s were great tank-killers too, and perhaps could have made a difference in the defensive battles the Germans had to fight.