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Is Accepting Christian Evidence Special Pleading?
RE: Is Accepting Christian Evidence Special Pleading?
(September 15, 2017 at 6:29 am)SteveII Wrote: Several things wrong here. It does not matter how you want to characterize the information we have. The information serves to make the circumstances between Christianity and Mormonism different so therefore no special pleading can occur...

...I will say it again in case you missed it above: Even if your mischaracterizations are true, there is no special pleading. The information, mode, quantity, timeframe and context are so different, by the definition of special pleading, there could not be any.

From your OP, but the bold is mine:

Quote:For the purposes of this discussion, eyewitness testimony (from any religion) is evidence.  

Central Question: Is it true that other religions have bodies of eyewitness testimony that can be examined in the same or similar way as Christianity's is and therefore are legitimate comparisons in which special pleading can actually occur?

Is there any debate that no major religion that has a fraction of the amount of eyewitness testimony of Christianity to even examine in support of its main claims? If other religions do not have as much eyewitness testimony or there only exists one piece of eyewitness testimony then how could there be any special pleading in favor of Christianity?

What I am saying to you is this - 

1. In this is an assertion or implication that the amount of eyewitness testimony for any given religion somehow elevates it, or distinguishes it as categorically different from the others, and therefore, renders it exempt from charges of special pleading.  You have not demonstrated any reasoning or evidence for this position.  How does the number of people making the supernatural claim make your religion not comparable to others?

I mean, I'm even giving you the benefit of the doubt about witness testimony being classified as evidence. I could just as easily argue that it doesn't count as evidence, and as such, you have none; same as every other religion's claims.

2. You have not demonstrated, nor do you or anyone else for that matter, have any way of demonstrating what, and how much of the NT is actual eyewitness testimony. How do you propose to "examine" alleged eyewitness testimony when you can't even confirm that it IS eyewitness testimony? You're chopping yourself off at the legs here.

Steve, answer me this: how much of the NT is written by legitimate eyewitnesses, and how did you verify this information to your own satisfaction? What evidence leads you to your answer?
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RE: Is Accepting Christian Evidence Special Pleading?
Huggy74 Wrote:
Minimalist Wrote:The steadfast failure of religitards to demonstrate that their particular fairy tale has any basis in reality.  If you ever find some feel free to present it.  I will give it a fair hearing.
I hope you do better than a light smudge on an old photo.

A "light smudge" on an old photo that was thoroughly vetted scientifically, backed up by audio recording and eyewitness testimony mind you, and the best you could do was a lame attempt at character assassination on the eye witness.

Color me unimpressed.

Thoroughly vetted scientifically to be a light smudge.
I'm not anti-Christian. I'm anti-stupid.
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RE: Is Accepting Christian Evidence Special Pleading?
Mormonism looks better and better every day in this thread . . .
 The granting of a pardon is an imputation of guilt, and the acceptance a confession of it. 




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RE: Is Accepting Christian Evidence Special Pleading?
(September 15, 2017 at 12:52 pm)vorlon13 Wrote: Mormonism looks better and better every day in this thread . . .

Everything is relative after all
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RE: Is Accepting Christian Evidence Special Pleading?
(September 15, 2017 at 10:11 am)Mathilda Wrote:
(September 15, 2017 at 9:49 am)Huggy74 Wrote: Technically, By their own admission they are worshiping a god.

They literally state that the purpose of the Sunday assembly is to celebrate 'life'

https://www.merriam-webster.com/thesaurus/celebrate

god - a being or object believed to have more than natural attributes and powers and to require human worship; specifically :one controlling a particular aspect or part of reality

This kinda makes 'life' their god by definition.

Like I said, welcome to club buddy.


Utter pish. You're just trolling now.

He hates being made a fool of (which happens often), so he must try to get the last word in on at least something, no matter how petty the semantics. You can tell Huggy has started to spiral when he starts copy/pasting dictionary definitions of mundane words.
Nay_Sayer: “Nothing is impossible if you dream big enough, or in this case, nothing is impossible if you use a barrel of KY Jelly and a miniature horse.”

Wiser words were never spoken. 
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RE: Is Accepting Christian Evidence Special Pleading?
(September 15, 2017 at 11:21 am)Huggy74 Wrote: No, I worship God, not a god.
Thor is a 'god' not 'God', understand?

Might help if you tell us what a god is.
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RE: Is Accepting Christian Evidence Special Pleading?
(September 15, 2017 at 11:28 am)Huggy74 Wrote:
(September 15, 2017 at 11:22 am)Astreja Wrote: I see your god as just one mental construct among thousands.  In my worldview, your pretend friend is no more real and no more important than any other deity, including deities that appear only in works of modern fiction.  (waves to Lunitari, Offler and Frith)

Your opinion really doesn't matter, that IS how the word God is defined.

That is specifically the definition for the capitalized version of the word, which I only use when directly quoting someone else who is using it.

You say "God" all you like and I'll use "your god" (in other words, not my god) all I like.
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RE: Is Accepting Christian Evidence Special Pleading?
(September 15, 2017 at 10:11 am)Mathilda Wrote:
(September 15, 2017 at 9:49 am)Huggy74 Wrote: Technically, By their own admission they are worshiping a god.

They literally state that the purpose of the Sunday assembly is to celebrate 'life'

https://www.merriam-webster.com/thesaurus/celebrate

god - a being or object believed to have more than natural attributes and powers and to require human worship; specifically :one controlling a particular aspect or part of reality

This kinda makes 'life' their god by definition.

Like I said, welcome to club buddy.


Utter pish. You're just trolling now.


Not that you're not getting trolled in places too but this was also my reaction.  Had any good troll food fights lately?

(September 15, 2017 at 10:52 am)Huggy74 Wrote:
(September 15, 2017 at 10:11 am)Mathilda Wrote: Utter pish. You're just trolling now.

I didn't define the words luv.


Probably going to have to drop your line elsewhere to hook a troll to play with you.
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RE: Is Accepting Christian Evidence Special Pleading?
Celebrating fucking life is not worshiping a god you fucking loon
Seek strength, not to be greater than my brother, but to fight my greatest enemy -- myself.

Inuit Proverb

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RE: Is Accepting Christian Evidence Special Pleading?
(September 15, 2017 at 1:13 pm)LadyForCamus Wrote:
(September 15, 2017 at 10:11 am)Mathilda Wrote: Utter pish. You're just trolling now.

He hates being made a fool of (which happens often), so he must try to get the last word in on at least something, no matter how petty the semantics.  You can tell Huggy has started to spiral when he starts copy/pasting dictionary definitions of mundane words.
*emphasis mine*

really LFC, really? And you guys say you don't believe in imaginary things.

How about we present evidence?

For every example you provide where you think i've been made a fool of, I'll provide 10 where I've personally made fools of Athiests...

Care to wager?

(I'll apologize in advance to the people that get exposed, blame it on LFC)
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