Is Accepting Christian Evidence Special Pleading?

[SteveII]

Two things wrong with that statement.

1. Paul's letters where on Christian living--not original statements of fact on the life of Jesus or other historical instruction (as Joseph Smith's were full of). 
2. Where did Paul claim even his instructions on Christian living were divinely inspired? 

Again, the comparisons are not there.

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The quote you were referring to was about Paul. Even Bart Ehrman firmly believes Paul was real and wrote most of the epistles ascribed to him. He also believes the the NT is 99% today what it was when it was written.

Oh look, more special pleading. What a surprise.  

Who founded the Christian church. Jesus or Paul?

Why do you even have to ask? I would think that you would know since you seem so certain of your facts...

Neither. If you had to pick one...Peter. --20 years before Paul started writing letters.

[TheBeardedDude]

Oh look, more special pleading. What a surprise.  

Who founded the Christian church. Jesus or Paul?

Why do you even have to ask? I would think that you would know since you seem so certain of your facts...

Neither. If you had to pick one...Peter. --20 years before Paul started writing letters.

So if Paul had never existed, the Christian church would exist?


edit to add: I am asking the questions because it is clear you don't know the history of your religion and its books as well as you think you do. I would have thought it apparent that when the questions I was asking were to you because I want to see you try to answer them and not because I want to simply make statements. I like questions that allow someone to highlight their own ignorance instead of statements outlining it

[Whateverist]

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Perhaps a refresher...

Special Pleading: Applying standards, principles, and/or rules to other people or circumstances, while making oneself or certain circumstances exempt from the same critical criteria, without providing adequate justification. Special pleading is often a result of strong emotional beliefs that interfere with reason.

The only circumstances that were similar in this situation were that something was written. Everything else was different. So, we have one similarity and hundreds of dissimilarities. Therefore the circumstance were not even close to being similar and therefore no special pleading can occur.

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These conversations always remind me of the movie "Liar Liar" with Jim Carrey

Fletcher: [while hearing Mrs. Cole having sex on an audio cassette]
Fletcher: Oh, come on! Your honor, how can it be proved that the male voice on that tape is not Mr. Cole himself?
Samantha: [voice on tape] You are such a better lover than my husband!

Fletcher: Your honor, I object!
Judge Stevens: And why is that, Mr. Reede?
Fletcher: It's devastating to my case!

Judge Stevens: Overruled.
Fletcher: Good call!

They have to ignore or wipe away, so much intersecting support within history, and don't have very good reasons to do so.

Yeah, ignore is working pretty good for me just like I would for any other conspiracy theory.

[The Grand Nudger]

Oh look, more special pleading. What a surprise.  

Who founded the Christian church. Jesus or Paul?

Why do you even have to ask? I would think that you would know since you seem so certain of your facts...

Neither. If you had to pick one...Peter. --20 years before Paul started writing letters.

Did he, which letters are those?

[Minimalist]

Peter, the illiterate fisherman writing letters in Koine Greek, huh?  Moron.

[Succubus]

The quote you were referring to was about Paul. Even Bart Ehrman firmly believes Paul was real and wrote most of the epistles ascribed to him. He also believes the the NT is 99% today what it was when it was written.

This the reply I gave the last time you posted this shite...

This is not evidence for Jesus, it is evidence for Christianity, not the same thing now is it?

From here

[TheBeardedDude]

Peter, the illiterate fisherman writing letters in Koine Greek, huh?  Moron.

I think Steve intended to say that Paul wrote the letters, not Peter. Peter wrote nothing. So how Peter established the Christian church is beyond me, or at the very least it is beyond me how one actually determines that.

[Succubus]

Oh look, more special pleading. What a surprise.  

Who founded the Christian church. Jesus or Paul?

Why do you even have to ask? I would think that you would know since you seem so certain of your facts...

Neither. If you had to pick one...Peter. --20 years before Paul started writing letters.

Special pleading and an unhealthy dollop of circular reasoning. You are using characters from the bible to confirm the truth of the bible. You can't do that!

[SteveII]

Why do you even have to ask? I would think that you would know since you seem so certain of your facts...

Neither. If you had to pick one...Peter. --20 years before Paul started writing letters.

So if Paul had never existed, the Christian church would exist?

edit to add: I am asking the questions because it is clear you don't know the history of your religion and its books as well as you think you do. I would have thought it apparent that when the questions I was asking were to you because I want to see you try to answer them and not because I want to simply make statements. I like questions that allow someone to highlight their own ignorance instead of statements outlining it

That's kind of evident in the fact that Paul was writing to pre-existing churches. Here is a secret code to keep them straight...the name of the church is in the letter's title...Corinthians, Romans, Ephesians, Philippians, Colossians, and Thessalonians.

LOL. You think I don't know the history of Christianity? You can't even get two sentences without messing them up! 

You're in over your head in both knowledge of the subject in and in critical thinking skills.

[Whateverist]

And who is K. L. Noll?

K. L. Noll, is an American biblical scholar, historian, educator and author. He is currently Associate Professor and Chair of the Religion Department at Brandon University in Brandon, Manitoba, Canada where he teaches Judaism, Christianity, biblical languages and Islam. He holds a PhD and a Master of Theology from Union Theological Seminary in Virginia (now called Union Presbyterian Seminary), as well a Master of Arts (Honors) from Lutheran Theological Seminary at Gettysburg and a Bachelor of Arts (Summa Cum Laude) from Shippensburg University

He dismantles the silly jesus freak argument that the stories in their fucking bible should be taken at face value because they are based on "testimony."

So just another guy popping off then?

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Fall on your knees for the god of Mormon.  How can any not accept such fine evidence?

This evidence is so evidence, it would be insane to not call it evidence


/s

It certainly has that evidency mouth feel.

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Peter, the illiterate fisherman writing letters in Koine Greek, huh?  Moron.

Hey, just because he was a fisherman doesn't make him a moron.