This Has to Stop

[Huggy Bear]

Your indifference to an atheist committing atrocious acts is noted. You now have no leg to stand on when it comes issues of morality.

Considering that morality is subjective.....

So indoctrination, rape and murder are all of the sudden subjective when the perpetrator is atheist?

Hey who am I to judge, If that's your thing, do you boo boo...

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You want a name? How about Jim Jones?

*yawn*

Wake me when you come up with the name of a sane atheist who adhered to rational skepticism and the practice of the silver rule and committed heinous acts that led to the deaths of hundreds of others under the banner of "atheism".

A megalomaniac cult leader with delusions of grandeur and a persecution complex doesn't cut it.

Oh, so he wasn't a real atheist? The irony.

Then theres the fact that you want me to find someone SANE who committed heinous acts and killed hundreds of people...



Oh, and btw, his core message WAS based in athiesm...
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jim_Jones

In one sermon, Jones said that, "You're gonna help yourself, or you'll get no help! There's only one hope of glory; that's within you! Nobody's gonna come out of the sky! There's no heaven up there! We'll have to make heaven down here!"

[Crossless2.0]

Considering that morality is subjective.....

So indoctrination, rape and murder are all of the sudden subjective when the perpetrator is atheist?

Hey who am I to judge, If that's your thing, do you boo boo...

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*yawn*

Wake me when you come up with the name of a sane atheist who adhered to rational skepticism and the practice of the silver rule and committed heinous acts that led to the deaths of hundreds of others under the banner of "atheism".

A megalomaniac cult leader with delusions of grandeur and a persecution complex doesn't cut it.

Oh, so he wasn't a real atheist? The irony.

Then there the fact that you want me to find someone SANE who committed heinous act and killed hundreds of people?



Oh, and btw, his core message WAS based in athiesm...

Did I deny he was an atheist? A real atheist? You can stick your No True Scotsman up your ass next to your sense of irony.

I don't give a fuck whether he was an atheist or not. He was a sick man and a criminal who clearly didn't hew to those values that matter to me. I'm not a cheerleader for every person who also doesn't happen to believe in your imaginary friend.

And there isn't a core message based on atheism, dumbass -- unless pointing out that people like you have imaginary friends is a "core message". Why don't you run Jones's message past the members of this board and see how many atheists respond to his alleged core atheist message? Like it or not, you have more in common with him and his followers than I do.

[Huggy Bear]

So indoctrination, rape and murder are all of the sudden subjective when the perpetrator is atheist?

Hey who am I to judge, If that's your thing, do you boo boo...

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Oh, so he wasn't a real atheist? The irony.

Then there the fact that you want me to find someone SANE who committed heinous act and killed hundreds of people?



Oh, and btw, his core message WAS based in athiesm...

Did I deny he was an atheist? A real atheist? You can stick your No True Scotsman up your ass next to your sense of irony.

Look buddy, I'm applying the EXACT same criteria atheists apply to us. We say someone isn't a christian because they aren't adhering to christian principals, but you don't care anything about that, it's still a no true scotsman...

Found this in another forum:
https://atheistforums.org/post-1066992.html#pid1066992

You claim you are aware of the atrocities committed, but you want to play the No True Scotsman card to absolve your religion of those same atrocities.

How are you different exactly?

I don't give a fuck whether he was an atheist or not. He was a sick man and a criminal who clearly didn't hew to those values that matter to me. I'm not a cheerleader for every person who also doesn't happen to believe in your imaginary friend.

And there isn't a core message based on atheism, dumbass -- unless pointing out that people like you have imaginary friends is a "core message". Why don't you run Jones's message past the members of this board and see how many atheists respond to his alleged core atheist message? Like it or not, you have more in common with him and his followers than I do.

*emphasis mine*

I didn't say there is A core message based in atheism, I said Jim Jones's core message was based in atheism.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jim_Jones

By the early 1970s, Jones began deriding traditional Christianity as "fly away religion", rejecting the Bible as being a tool to oppress women and non-whites, and denouncing a "Sky God" who was no God at all.

Those are the EXACT same points many atheists parrot here.

The oppression of women and non whites

Throughout the Bible, women are consistently described as inferior to men. Women were made by god to make sons and to serve as sex slaves.  Women had less importance and less value than a goat.  The book requires a girl to marry her rapist, after he pays her father for her.  The book gives instruction to fathers on selling their daughters into slavery.  The book of Revelations states that "women MIGHT be saved through child-bearing".  All Abrahamic religions clearly believe that women aren't PEOPLE - and that's what the system is based on.

Also...you do know that American slavery in the South was expressly based on the law of Moses, right?

Like...you do know that, right? Look it up.

I find it... "funny", for the lack of a better word, how black people worship the same god who allowed them to be enslaved. What's worse, he actually ordered they should be enslaved. I'm guessing they'll end up not exactly in the place they were hoping for when they were alive, lol.  

On denouncing a sky God

Should your evil sky daddy actually exist, I would consider it my moral duty to oppose the genocidal psychopath.

It would seem many atheists here already agree with Jim Jones's message.

[Harry Nevis]

And your indifference to reality has been noted.  BTW, please inform us...what does atheism teach?

In that case what does theism teach?

Theist religions exist as well as Atheist religions.

Can't answer a fucking question, huh?

[Crossless2.0]

You are unutterably boring.

[Harry Nevis]

You want a name? How about Jim Jones?

A christian.  Point?  That you don't know the difference?

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So indoctrination, rape and murder are all of the sudden subjective when the perpetrator is atheist?

Hey who am I to judge, If that's your thing, do you boo boo...

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You're no one.

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Then theres the fact that you want me to find someone SANE who committed heinous acts and killed hundreds of people...

Where did you get this?  We just want you to go away.

[Huggy Bear]

In that case what does theism teach?

Theist religions exist as well as Atheist religions.

Can't answer a fucking question, huh?

I did buddy, I demonstrated why your question is irrelevant.

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You are unutterably boring.

Translation: I have no rebuttal.

[Crossless2.0]

Did I deny he was an atheist? A real atheist? You can stick your No True Scotsman up your ass next to your sense of irony.

Look buddy, I'm applying the EXACT same criteria atheists apply to us. We say someone isn't a christian because they aren't adhering to christian principals, but you don't care anything about that, it's still a no true scotsman...

And Jones was an atheist, disguised in religious garb. What exactly is your point? No True Scotsman doesn't apply if the person you are tarring with it fucking agrees with you that Jones was an atheist. Try to keep up.

Found this in another forum:
https://atheistforums.org/post-1066992.html#pid1066992

You claim you are aware of the atrocities committed, but you want to play the No True Scotsman card to absolve your religion of those same atrocities.

How are you different exactly?

Ripping a sentence out of context is your idea of playing gotcha? You're pathetic.

That remark came from an exchange with Godschild, in which he argued that Western anti-Semitism was largely the result of Darwinian evolution (or at least its misrepresentation in the popular mind) and that it hadn't really been a significant fixture in Western culture prior to the 19th Century. I pointed out that Christian anti-Semitism -- based in large part on the fourth Gospel's portrait of "the Jews" and their role in Jesus' death -- had a long and ignoble history well before Darwin. It was in that context that I wrote the single sentence you quote because he wanted to have it both ways: acknowledge that pre-19th Century anti-Semitic atrocities happened but not own them as specifically Christian atrocities, which they clearly were, since the motivation behind much of it involved the belief that Jews were Christ killers.

That you can't tell the difference doesn't surprise me. Here's a clue: not all atheists are Marxists. Jones was. I'm not. As I said, I'm not a cheerleader for every person who doesn't believe in your imaginary friend. And since Marx isn't Holy Writ for me, I'm under no obligation to embrace as one of my own some crackpot who fancied himself a Marxist. You, on the other hand, are kind of stuck with that fourth Gospel . . .

And there isn't a core message based on atheism, dumbass -- unless pointing out that people like you have imaginary friends is a "core message". Why don't you run Jones's message past the members of this board and see how many atheists respond to his alleged core atheist message? Like it or not, you have more in common with him and his followers than I do.

*emphasis mine*

I didn't say there is A core message based in atheism, I said Jim Jones's core message was based in atheism.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jim_Jones

By the early 1970s, Jones began deriding traditional Christianity as "fly away religion", rejecting the Bible as being a tool to oppress women and non-whites, and denouncing a "Sky God" who was no God at all.

Those are the EXACT same points many atheists parrot here.

The oppression of women and non whites

Throughout the Bible, women are consistently described as inferior to men. Women were made by god to make sons and to serve as sex slaves.  Women had less importance and less value than a goat.  The book requires a girl to marry her rapist, after he pays her father for her.  The book gives instruction to fathers on selling their daughters into slavery.  The book of Revelations states that "women MIGHT be saved through child-bearing".  All Abrahamic religions clearly believe that women aren't PEOPLE - and that's what the system is based on.

Also...you do know that American slavery in the South was expressly based on the law of Moses, right?

Like...you do know that, right? Look it up.

I find it... "funny", for the lack of a better word, how black people worship the same god who allowed them to be enslaved. What's worse, he actually ordered they should be enslaved. I'm guessing they'll end up not exactly in the place they were hoping for when they were alive, lol.  

On denouncing a sky God

Should your evil sky daddy actually exist, I would consider it my moral duty to oppose the genocidal psychopath.

It would seem many atheists here already agree with Jim Jones's message.

How many of them are down with Jones's Marxism? That's the question. Atheists not believing in or respecting your Special Book is hardly news.

And you're unutterably boring. 

[Thumpalumpacus]

[Crossless2.0]

No kidding.

I've said my piece and have nothing further to add. He can find someone else to tussle with. I always have better things to do than follow Huggy down the rabbit hole.