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Emotions are intrinsically good and bad
RE: Emotions are intrinsically good and bad
(October 1, 2017 at 12:53 pm)Khemikal Wrote:
(October 1, 2017 at 12:45 pm)Transcended Dimensions Wrote: I am confused on what you mean by this.  During my miserable state (which was a dysphoric state), it would not be a state of anhedonia since I was simply absent of my positive emotional state (euphoric state).  If I was completely absence of both my euphoric and dysphoric state, then that would be anhedonia.

Then you weren't emotion-blind, just as people with anhedonia aren't emotion-blind, regardless of any inept definition you'd apply in service of this shrinking argument.

Correction.  I was positive emotion-blind.  Since I had nothing but that negative emotion of misery in my life, then my life was nothing but the worst way to live.  I could clearly tell that even the thought of getting the help I needed as being good was not any real good value and beauty in my life.  So, that is why I conclude that positive emotions are the only source to a real good life regardless of the implications of such a model.  But if I was completely absent of my positive emotions (euphoric states) as well as completely absent of my dysphoric states (negative emotions), then, just as how I could clearly tell that I was absence of all positive emotions during those miserable moments, I would also notice that I would be completely absent of all emotions.  Therefore, I think that people with anhedonia (a complete absence of both euphoric and dysphoric states) really are emotion-blind based upon my personal experience.
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RE: Emotions are intrinsically good and bad
I doubt that very much, but at this point you're trying to establish a failing position by anecdotal "reference" to an inaccurate definition....so?
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RE: Emotions are intrinsically good and bad
(October 1, 2017 at 1:01 pm)Khemikal Wrote: I doubt that very much, but at this point you're trying to establish a failing position by anecdote....so?

Well, I just wanted to share to you my personal experience and attempt to establish my worldview from that perspective.  I can honestly tell you that there is no emotion at all in my life without my euphoric and dysphoric states.  There is also no real good value and beauty in my life without my euphoric states and no real bad value in my life without my dysphoric states regardless of what I were to think otherwise when making certain decisions in my life.  I wanted others to be convinced of my worldview so that they understand my needs rather than dismissing them as nonsense.  My positive emotions are like the inner light that allow me to have a real version of good value and beauty in my life.  For others to just dismiss this really gets to me and is inconsiderate towards me and my personal needs.
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RE: Emotions are intrinsically good and bad
Your personal experiences seem to be a mixture of ignorance and sloppy definitions, salted with an inability to apply a valid means of inference between any of the constituent parts.  

Your emotional needs are your own concern, bothering me with them irritates me, and that makes it a moral bad by your own metrics.   Stop complaining about others rejecting your immorality.
I am the Infantry. I am my country’s strength in war, her deterrent in peace. I am the heart of the fight… wherever, whenever. I carry America’s faith and honor against her enemies. I am the Queen of Battle. I am what my country expects me to be, the best trained Soldier in the world. In the race for victory, I am swift, determined, and courageous, armed with a fierce will to win. Never will I fail my country’s trust. Always I fight on…through the foe, to the objective, to triumph overall. If necessary, I will fight to my death. By my steadfast courage, I have won more than 200 years of freedom. I yield not to weakness, to hunger, to cowardice, to fatigue, to superior odds, For I am mentally tough, physically strong, and morally straight. I forsake not, my country, my mission, my comrades, my sacred duty. I am relentless. I am always there, now and forever. I AM THE INFANTRY! FOLLOW ME!
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RE: Emotions are intrinsically good and bad
(October 1, 2017 at 1:10 pm)Khemikal Wrote: Your personal experiences seem to be a mixture of ignorance and sloppy definitions, salted with an inability to apply a valid means of inference between any of the constituent parts.  

Your emotional needs are your own concern, bothering me with them irritates me, and that makes it a moral bad by your own metrics.   Stop complaining about others rejecting your immorality.

I am a kind and respectful person.  You call me immoral, but I treat my family and others with kindness.  I do not go out harming or name calling anyone.  You are using your own teachings and knowledge to dismiss a personal experience which was so profound and powerful to me.  In other words, you dismiss my personal experience in the way you've described it (i.e. sloppy definitions, ignorance, etc.).  Dismissing my personal experience on such grounds just isn't right.  You would be one of those people dismissing my personal experience.  That is the reason why I had to come on here in the first place to prove to you that my worldview is true to convince people like you.  That way, people like you would no longer treat me in such a manner and would finally be sympathetic and understanding towards my needs.
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RE: Emotions are intrinsically good and bad
(October 1, 2017 at 1:17 pm)Transcended Dimensions Wrote: Dismissing my personal experience on such grounds just isn't right.

Not only is it right to dismiss hooey, it's absolutely imperative.

(October 1, 2017 at 1:17 pm)Transcended Dimensions Wrote:   You would be one of those people dismissing my personal experience.  That is the reason why I had to come on here in the first place to prove to you that my worldview is true to convince people like you.  That way, people like you would no longer treat me in such a manner and would finally be sympathetic and understanding towards my needs.

Your problem is that you think you are automatically owed respect for sharing what you personally experience. We owe you nothing of the sort.
"Never trust a fox. Looks like a dog, behaves like a cat."
~ Erin Hunter
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RE: Emotions are intrinsically good and bad
(October 1, 2017 at 1:17 pm)Transcended Dimensions Wrote: I am a kind and respectful person. 
No you're not.  You're the kind of guy that would be inconsiderate to the good and satisfied sex offender.

Quote:You call me immoral, but I treat my family and others with kindness.
I'm feeding you yourt own bullshit, and -now- you object?  Typical, lol.

Quote:  I do not go out harming or name calling anyone.  You are using your own teachings and knowledge to dismiss a personal experience which was so profound and powerful to me. 
Is it possible that your bar for profundity is low?

Quote:In other words, you dismiss my personal experience in the way you've described it (i.e. sloppy definitions, ignorance, etc.).  Dismissing my personal experience on such grounds just isn't right. 
Why not, if it makes me feel good..it's The Only Real Right™.....

Quote:You would be one of those people dismissing my personal experience.  That is the reason why I had to come on here in the first place to prove to you that my worldview is true to convince people like you.  That way, people like you would no longer treat me in such a manner and would finally be sympathetic and understanding towards my needs.
If you try to convince people of your worldview by insisting that the sex offenders satisfaction is a moral good, and then bitching about how people are being mean to you....you're going to be treated even more poorly.
I am the Infantry. I am my country’s strength in war, her deterrent in peace. I am the heart of the fight… wherever, whenever. I carry America’s faith and honor against her enemies. I am the Queen of Battle. I am what my country expects me to be, the best trained Soldier in the world. In the race for victory, I am swift, determined, and courageous, armed with a fierce will to win. Never will I fail my country’s trust. Always I fight on…through the foe, to the objective, to triumph overall. If necessary, I will fight to my death. By my steadfast courage, I have won more than 200 years of freedom. I yield not to weakness, to hunger, to cowardice, to fatigue, to superior odds, For I am mentally tough, physically strong, and morally straight. I forsake not, my country, my mission, my comrades, my sacred duty. I am relentless. I am always there, now and forever. I AM THE INFANTRY! FOLLOW ME!
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RE: Emotions are intrinsically good and bad
(October 1, 2017 at 1:20 pm)Lutrinae Wrote:
(October 1, 2017 at 1:17 pm)Transcended Dimensions Wrote: Dismissing my personal experience on such grounds just isn't right.

Not only is it right to dismiss hooey, it's absolutely imperative.

(October 1, 2017 at 1:17 pm)Transcended Dimensions Wrote:   You would be one of those people dismissing my personal experience.  That is the reason why I had to come on here in the first place to prove to you that my worldview is true to convince people like you.  That way, people like you would no longer treat me in such a manner and would finally be sympathetic and understanding towards my needs.

Your problem is that you think you are automatically owed respect for sharing what you personally experience.  We owe you nothing of the sort.


Well then, you are going to piss a lot of people off by going up to them and insisting that personal, profound, and powerful experiences they've had in their lives that sound like nonsense to you really are nonsense and hooey.  If you don't care about that, then that is just fine by me.  But you will perhaps, one day, find yourself in a fight or some other from of trouble.  All I ever wanted was compassion from others and for others to not dismiss my needs as nonsense.  If they keep on doing that anyway, then I am not going to become violent or fight them.  Rather, they are just not the types of people to be around in my life.  Since they have dismissed my personal needs and experiences, then I will return the favor and do the same to them.
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RE: Emotions are intrinsically good and bad
(October 1, 2017 at 1:27 pm)Transcended Dimensions Wrote: Well then, you are going to piss a lot of people off by going up to them and insisting that personal, profound, and powerful experiences they've had in their lives that sound like nonsense to you really are nonsense and hooey.  If you don't care about that, then that is just fine by me.  But you will perhaps, one day, find yourself in a fight or some other from of trouble.  All I ever wanted was compassion from others and for others to not dismiss my needs as nonsense.  If they keep on doing that anyway, then I am not going to become violent or fight them.  Rather, they are just not the types of people to be around in my life.  Since they have dismissed my personal needs and experiences, then I will return the favor and do the same to them.

Sorry, but you're just not as special as you think you are.
"Never trust a fox. Looks like a dog, behaves like a cat."
~ Erin Hunter
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RE: Emotions are intrinsically good and bad
Oh perish the thought!  Calling people out on their bullshit might make them angry?  I don't know how I'll be able to live with myself if I can't keep you happy, TD.

Honestly, it sounds to me like you need a support group.  That's where you -might- find people willing to be "considerate" by just listening to whatever falls out of your head.  I would refrain from trying to convince them of your world view, as well, though. Generally, in a support group which is accepting of such evangelizing efforts, it flows from them to you, not from you to them.
I am the Infantry. I am my country’s strength in war, her deterrent in peace. I am the heart of the fight… wherever, whenever. I carry America’s faith and honor against her enemies. I am the Queen of Battle. I am what my country expects me to be, the best trained Soldier in the world. In the race for victory, I am swift, determined, and courageous, armed with a fierce will to win. Never will I fail my country’s trust. Always I fight on…through the foe, to the objective, to triumph overall. If necessary, I will fight to my death. By my steadfast courage, I have won more than 200 years of freedom. I yield not to weakness, to hunger, to cowardice, to fatigue, to superior odds, For I am mentally tough, physically strong, and morally straight. I forsake not, my country, my mission, my comrades, my sacred duty. I am relentless. I am always there, now and forever. I AM THE INFANTRY! FOLLOW ME!
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