Mass shooting in Las Vegas. 50+ dead

[Amarok]

What does that say about literally every other era we could potentially idealise as being better?

We seem to be a species hellbent on nostalgia.

[Brian37]

The point I'm trying to make is that someone sufficiently fucked up to consider mass murder a decent idea can probably find inspiration in ANYTHING. I'm currently reading Jeff Guinn's biography of Charles Manson, and it spends quite a bit of time trying to explain how Charlie
took the White Album, combined it with the book of Revelation, and turned it into a scenario about a race war that ran on insane troll logic, and did I mention the biggest source for it was a "Helter Skelter," which was about a PLAYGROUND SLIDE?

You see why I don't take too seriously the assumption that it makes sense to blame art for creating a culture of violence that's most likely existed since we stopped working under the assumption that there were about 150 people in the world and we knew them all by name.

Hey, I'm not saying you're wrong. I'm just saying that there may possibly be enough of something to the Hollywood and gaming industry's influence, or in some part, creating a culture of violence that warrants study. 

I was in High School at the time of the Manson murders. I can still remember the news reports and the following trial. A couple of years after that there was a made for TV movie about Manson, "Helter Skelter". I can remember reports of the "Manson Family" having drug induced (LSD) parties and orgies and that Manson used drugs and sex to control the so-called family members. If Manson himself engaged in the drug sessions I have to wonder if he got some of his insane ideas while tripping out on LSD or some other Hallucinogen. No doubt as far as I'm concerned that Manson took "Helter Skelter" to mean something else, chaos.

Laundry List of bullshit excuses to do nothing.

1. It's the mentally ill. We agree, lets do something.
2. It's the terrorists. We agree, lets do something.
3. It's the liberals. Ok fine but still, lets do something.
4. Now blame Hollywood?

"NO!" is all we fucking get from the far right.

Hey moron. I grew up with slasher movies like Friday The 13th and listened to Metalllica's "Seek And Destroy", and guess what? I am NOT a serial killer. Haven't even had a speeding ticket since 1999.

The minority far right whom supports  NRA are gullible. The leadership of the NRA itself is not interested in making sure those whom buy firearms don't commit suicide or murder other people. They are solely interested in being a profit lobby for the firearm companies. 

The NRA is a lobby like big oil has lobbies, the ones whom deny climate change. Just like the car industry fought Nader when he told them their products sucked. 

The problem is not even the majority of gun owners. The problem is that one lobby and one industry are dictating our laws and forcing them on everyone. If you want less firearm deaths, then stop being a selfish fuck and stop sniffing their paint. The gun makers profit off of scaring gullible people like you.

[Amarok]

Hey, I'm not saying you're wrong. I'm just saying that there may possibly be enough of something to the Hollywood and gaming industry's influence, or in some part, creating a culture of violence that warrants study

. Been done . And as always it's a bullshit distraction .

[John V]

Haven't even had a speeding ticket since 1999.

You'd actually need a car to get a speeding ticket, so that doesn't mean anything.

[Brian37]

Haven't even had a speeding ticket since 1999.

You'd actually need a car to get a speeding ticket, so that doesn't mean anything.

I have one asswipe. A van, a mobility van I have that I used to take care of my elderly mother, you know, because that is what you do for aging parents, take care of them. She passed in March, but I keep it because it still has life in it, on top of having some very fond memories in it with her.

[Catholic_Lady]

Still no sign of any motive. Latest update is they are examining his brain under a microscope. Apparently certain mental illnesses can be detected this way.

[Brian37]

Still no sign of any motive. Latest update is they are examining his brain under a microscope. Apparently certain mental illnesses can be detected this way.

CL, I love you, but firearm death OF ALL KINDS, from both legal and illegal has been an epidemic for DECADES.

I am tired of "motive" being brought up. The end result be it suicide, family violence, mentally ill, terrorist, workplace violence, ect....... It remains we make way too many firearms and they are way too easy to obtain. 

Mental health is is important but that has more to do with the fact that we DONT have universal health care and we dont have livable wages for workers. It still means regardless of motive we still don't VET buyers and we hand firearms out like candy.

[Sal]

I don't know about you, but I'm quite curious what his motive might have been.

[Brian37]

I don't know about you, but I'm quite curious what his motive might have been.

That is a curiosity for psychologists and psychiatrists and criminal profilers sure, but that is still not stopping ease of access. None of that understanding, will help if we don't have universal health care, mental health care and livable wages for workers.

It still remains that we make too many and they are too easy to get.

The gun companies are like any other business, they like any other product seek to please their shareholders and expand their market. EVEN if that marketing produces harm to consumers. Just like big oil fought to keep lead in gas. Just like car companies fought safety regulations when NADAR told them their products sucked. Just like big tobacco tried to hide the dangers of their products.

MARKETING, that is all it is about for the gun companies. It has never been for them about anything but profits. 

They market fear to get people to buy their products and they use fear to get people to finance the profit protector lobby NRA.

[Catholic_Lady]

Still no sign of any motive. Latest update is they are examining his brain under a microscope. Apparently certain mental illnesses can be detected this way.

CL, I love you, but firearm death OF ALL KINDS, from both legal and illegal has been an epidemic for DECADES.

I am tired of "motive" being brought up. The end result be it suicide, family violence, mentally ill, terrorist, workplace violence, ect....... It remains we make way too many firearms and they are way too easy to obtain. 

Mental health is is important but that has more to do with the fact that we DONT have universal health care and we dont have livable wages for workers. It still means regardless of motive we still don't VET buyers and we hand firearms out like candy.

I agree. We definitely need better gun control.