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Damned Catholics
RE: Damned Catholics
(October 23, 2020 at 9:42 pm)Fireball Wrote:
(October 23, 2020 at 7:22 pm)arewethereyet Wrote: When I hear of these stories it makes me wonder about the boys I grew up with.  Most of them were altar boys at some point.  Of the boys my age from the town where I lived there were probably half who went a couple towns over to the public high school and half continued on from the parochial elementary and middle schools to the Catholic high school.

About the only thing I recall hearing regarding the priests in town was my dad saying they would find empty liquor bottles on the yard at the rectory on Sunday mornings.  

Our high school principal (a brother) left the clergy to marry an ex-nun.  Those are the only scandals I heard about.  

Of course, the sexual abuse of boys and young men was probably held much closer to the vest.

Makes me wonder about the guys that left and went far, far away and never return even though they still have family in the area.
All of this abuse is disgusting. I can appreciate guys leaving and not coming back, based on the shame aspect of getting raped/groped by a priest, who is never going to be disbelieved. When I grew up ('50s and '60s, graduated high school in '70), corporal punishment was allowed in public schools. If a teacher laid a hand on us, my dad was at the school with his hand on the throat of the perpetrator. My dad was quite violent, and I'm surprised that he didn't get jail time for what he did to those teachers. He certainly set them right on who gets to punish his children. It only happened a couple of times, and the word got out. One of those Fireball kids did something wrong? Send home a note! There was nothing the school system was going to do that was worse than what we got if a note came home. Which is a different story, though. If I had come home with evidence of abuse by a priest, said priest would have been dead, I'm convinced.
With the vast majority of people in the area being Catholic, there was simply no questioning of the actions of clergy - period.

In high school (maybe sophomore year) a guy in my class stuck me in the back with a pin near my shoulder blade and must have nicked a vessel and blood poured down my back. I am not sure why I didn't have my blazer on but by the time I made it to the nurse's office the whole back of my blouse was stained.  Mrs. Armstrong went and got Brother Michael, the principal (the brother who later married a nun).  He asked what happened and he was pissed.  I didn't want to have to reveal the name of the guy but had no choice.

Br. Michael called the guy over the intercom to his office.  Now Glen was a BIG guy...farm boy.  Br. Michael was not all that much bigger than me.  Glen walked in and Br. Michael let loose with so much anger I was shocked.  He then looked up at Glen and ordered him to take his glasses off.  He grabbed the glasses and laid them on his desk and smacked Glen across so hard that it rocked him back.  

I was stunned.  No stranger to physical violence since mom and dad were quite liberal with their abuse, I was still shocked to see the mild-mannered Brother nearly knock out a guy about twice his size.  What happened after all this?  Glen had to get on the phone and explain to his parents what he did.  He had to apologize to me and to my parents.  He had to pay for a new blouse and for the doctor appointment and tetanus shot I had to have.  

Not even a priest...it was never questioned that he nearly cold-cocked a student in front of witnesses.  I can only imagine what other clergy got away with.
  
“If you are the smartest person in the room, then you are in the wrong room.” — Confucius
                                      
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RE: Damned Catholics
Leaders of the death cult speak again:

Quote:Bishop Athanasius Schneider: Christians must refuse COVID vaccine derived from aborted babies, even if it means martyrdom

He sat down with LifeSite to answer our questions on the present COVID-19 crisis, which Bishop Schneider has resulted in a “sanitary dictatorship.” He doubled down on that opinion, warning of the “slavery” that is being put into place through “absurd” measures that are even preventing people from using their reason.

Bishop Schneider said: “The exterior sign of the mask which all the population has to wear is disproportionate. It’s an exterior sign that the entire population is submitted, and that those who govern us have now in their hands the entire population, really as obedient slaves and marionettes. This is very dangerous and should cause us deep concern.”

Bishop Schneider told LiteSite that he fears the COVID-19 pandemic is being used as a step towards “One World government” through “control” in a situation that he did not hesitate to compare with his own experience as a boy under Soviet rule. He especially underscored the degree of atheism that is being reached by exclusive concern for corporal realities.

He called on Catholics not only to pray and coalesce with all those who are standing up to the absurdity of measures that go beyond correct and normal hygiene in an epidemic situation but to bear witness to the true hope of eternal life: “There is still an eternal life: don’t panic so much in your worries that concern only the temporal life! We must give a vision even of hope and trust, that we are in the hands of God. Now the government is saying: you are in our hands, completely, we are protecting you. This is very dangerous,” said Bishop Schneider.

For the future, Bishop Schneider suspects that in some way all governments and all people will be asked to collaborate with abortion through the compulsory administration of vaccines using cells taken from aborted babies.

“I am not affirming now that this will happen, but it is my suspicion: it appears to me realistic that this could come. This is for me the last step of Satanism: that Satan and the world government – ultimately the masonic world government – will oblige all, even the Church, to accept abortion in this way. And therefore we must resist very strongly against this, if it comes. We must even accept to be martyrs,” said Bishop Schneider.

https://www.cfnews.org.uk/bishop-christi...martyrdom/
teachings of the Bible are so muddled and self-contradictory that it was possible for Christians to happily burn heretics alive for five long centuries. It was even possible for the most venerated patriarchs of the Church, like St. Augustine and St. Thomas Aquinas, to conclude that heretics should be tortured (Augustine) or killed outright (Aquinas). Martin Luther and John Calvin advocated the wholesale murder of heretics, apostates, Jews, and witches. - Sam Harris, "Letter To A Christian Nation"
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At least half of the Catholics will get the vaccine anyway. Back when I was a churchgoer I knew plenty of people using birth control up to and including getting their tubes tied or vasectomies, despite the rcc's position on that.
If you get to thinking you’re a person of some influence, try ordering somebody else’s dog around.
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RE: Damned Catholics
(October 29, 2020 at 11:10 am)Fireball Wrote: At least half of the Catholics will get the vaccine anyway. Back when I was a churchgoer I knew plenty of people using birth control up to and including getting their tubes tied or vasectomies, despite the rcc's position on that.

Mom was not a Catholic, dad was.  It was scandalous that she was on the pill when we moved to dad's hometown in around 1968-69.  I still am not sure how the word got out but there was actually graffiti in a bathroom stall that said "Angie's mom is on the pill".  I suppose it was a horrible insult in Catholicland.  

As time went on birth control became something we didn't talk about.  At the age of about 17 one of the doctors in town put me on the pill and here was his reason - I know what your dad will do to you if you get pregnant.
  
“If you are the smartest person in the room, then you are in the wrong room.” — Confucius
                                      
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I have an idiotic idea, on the face of it:

If they contest the language used, in this case their colorful "aborted babies" for referring to research based on embryonic stem cells in developing vaccines, why not weaponize that?

What I'm getting at is that, like, instead of saying "water" just say a very effective solvent, dihydrogen monoxide, and see them squirm when you point out that their own fucking bodies cell insides are mainly made out of this effective solvent. And why stop there? Instead of eggs (like how some fanatical vegans do in their lovely weaponized language), just call it daily unfertilized "menstruation" & cloaca-originated calcium-scaled unliving bird fetuses, and see how fast Catholics will drop eating eggs like a hot potato, NOT. Don't forget to mention caviar, in the case they're just wishy-washy "vegetarians", are fish eggs. Even if they're die-hard vegans, I'm sure you can extend this equally into the domain of plantlife, like, did they know that a lot of plants and whatnot is basically overgrown plant sperm? What do they think nuts and pollen grains are? Also, better not go outside during high pollen count if they don't want to inhale plant sperm (in the off case they're a pedantic plant biologist, don't bother), in the case they think about holding their breath for about 3 months or so, every time they're outside or open a window, LOL.

I'm sure anyone can extend this language weaponization into other, daily, areas of everyone's lives, Catholic or not.

There's an opportunity, in an ironic manner, to illuminate into their pathetic worldview and open their horizon, slightly. The point is to simply get them to re-think about how they use language, by using their own stupid language against them. Although, I suspect this will merely make them drop it for a short while.
"The first principle is that you must not fool yourself — and you are the easiest person to fool." - Richard P. Feynman
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Inquisition is coming back baby

Quote:Three women face jail in Poland for sharing this poster

[Image: LGBTQ-Mary.jpg]

Elżbieta, 51, went to the press in May last year after police raided her home in search of the offending image, which was based on the Mother of God of Czestochowa painting.

Police seized the photos and confiscated her laptop, mobile phone and memory cards. They also requested access to CCTV footage from the building in which she lives.

Poland’s Interior Minister Joachim Brudzinski praised police for their “efficient action” in identifying her, writing on Twitter that “no whim of freedom” gave anybody the right to “offend the feelings of believers”.

Similar forms of peaceful LGBT+ activism have been criminalised as Poland makes a worrying shift towards national homophobia.

Three people were arrested in August for “insulting religious feelings” by giving a Jesus statue a Pride makeover with an LGBT+ flag. 


https://www.pinknews.co.uk/2020/11/04/po...rial-jail/
teachings of the Bible are so muddled and self-contradictory that it was possible for Christians to happily burn heretics alive for five long centuries. It was even possible for the most venerated patriarchs of the Church, like St. Augustine and St. Thomas Aquinas, to conclude that heretics should be tortured (Augustine) or killed outright (Aquinas). Martin Luther and John Calvin advocated the wholesale murder of heretics, apostates, Jews, and witches. - Sam Harris, "Letter To A Christian Nation"
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[quote pid='2007929' dateline='1604726160']

Quote:Poland’s Interior Minister Joachim Brudzinski praised police for their “efficient action” in identifying her, writing on Twitter that “no whim of freedom” gave anybody the right to “offend the feelings of believers”.

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So say religious totalitarians everywhere.  This concept must be fought.
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Child sexual abuse in Catholic church ‘swept under the carpet’, inquiry finds

The Catholic church “betrayed” its moral purpose [what moral purpose?] by prioritising its reputation over the welfare of children who had been sexually abused by priests, a damning inquiry report has concluded.

Between 1970 and 2015, the church received more than 900 complaints involving over 3,000 instances of child sexual abuse against more than 900 individuals, including priests, monks and volunteers. Over that period, there were 177 prosecutions resulting in 133 convictions. Civil claims against dioceses and religious institutes have resulted in millions of pounds being paid in compensation.

The sexual abuse of children involved instances of “masturbation, oral sex, vaginal rape and anal rape”. On occasions, the inquiry says, it was accompanied by “sadistic beatings driven by sexual gratification” as well as “deeply manipulative behaviour by those in positions of trust”.

One child estimated that between the ages of 11 and 15 he had been abused hundreds of times by a priest. “After each incident he was required to make confession, and the priest concerned made it plain that his sister’s place at a local convent school depended on his compliance,” the report adds.

When complaints were made, the church invariably failed to support victims and survivors but took action to protect alleged perpetrators by moving them to a different parish. “Child sexual abuse,” the report says, “was swept under the carpet.”

Of Nichols, the head of the Catholic church in England and Wales, IICSA states: “There was no acknowledgement of any personal responsibility to lead or influence change. Nor did he demonstrate compassion towards victims in the recent cases which we examined.

Prof Alexis Jay, the chair of the inquiry, said: “For decades, the Catholic church’s failure to tackle child sexual abuse consigned many more children to the same fate.

“It is clear that the church’s reputation was valued above the welfare of victims, with allegations ignored and perpetrators protected. Even today, the responses of the Holy See appear at odds with the Pope’s promise to take action on this hugely important problem.”

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/n...uiry-finds
teachings of the Bible are so muddled and self-contradictory that it was possible for Christians to happily burn heretics alive for five long centuries. It was even possible for the most venerated patriarchs of the Church, like St. Augustine and St. Thomas Aquinas, to conclude that heretics should be tortured (Augustine) or killed outright (Aquinas). Martin Luther and John Calvin advocated the wholesale murder of heretics, apostates, Jews, and witches. - Sam Harris, "Letter To A Christian Nation"
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This article is a few years old but is still current
Science hating organization like the catholic church should be barred from running hospitals

Quote:The Top 5 Scariest Things Catholic Bishops Have Said About Women

1. If it’s between a woman dying and a life-saving abortion, Catholic hospitals must choose the woman’s death


Yes, it’s true — the U.S. Conference of Catholic Bishops would prefer to let a woman die rather than allow Catholic hospitals to provide an emergency abortion. 

2. If doctors at a Catholic hospital put a woman’s health or life at risk, their religious beliefs get them off the hook


Catholic hospital administrators argued they shouldn’t be held responsible after one of the hospitals under their control followed the bishops’ policies and refused to provide proper information and medical care to a woman in the middle of a miscarriage. Woman sued, and the hospital administrators argued that because of their religious beliefs, her case should be thrown out. The judge agreed

3. There is no such thing as a life-saving abortion


The families of the 650 women who die each year of pregnancy-related complications would beg to differ with the bishops on this one, as would major medical organizations. But, the bishops nevertheless used this argument against a proposal that would require federal contractors to provide their employees with health insurance coverage for life-saving abortions. The bishops said the universe of abortions necessary to save a woman’s life “comprises an empty set.”

4. Contraception puts women’s health at risk


Bishops actually argue that contraceptives are “associated with an increased risk of a number of adverse health outcomes” and that the rule is “at war” with the ACA’s purpose of ensuring coverage for preventive medicine.

That’s a ridiculous argument given the well-documented health risks associated with unintended pregnancy, including the fact that pregnancy can worsen a preexisting health condition. And some women take contraception primarily for health purposes, such as reducing bleeding from fibroids.

5. Sorry you were raped, but we won’t help you.


The bishops get $10 million each year from the federal government to provide care to unaccompanied immigrant children who are fleeing abuse and torture in their home countries. Federal law requires the bishops to provide these young people with access to medical care, including emergency contraception and abortion. But the bishops refuse to do so, even if the teen has been raped while in their care.

http://churchandstate.org.uk/2016/03/the...out-women/
teachings of the Bible are so muddled and self-contradictory that it was possible for Christians to happily burn heretics alive for five long centuries. It was even possible for the most venerated patriarchs of the Church, like St. Augustine and St. Thomas Aquinas, to conclude that heretics should be tortured (Augustine) or killed outright (Aquinas). Martin Luther and John Calvin advocated the wholesale murder of heretics, apostates, Jews, and witches. - Sam Harris, "Letter To A Christian Nation"
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(November 18, 2020 at 1:16 pm)Fake Messiah Wrote: This article is a few years old but is still current
Science hating organization like the catholic church should  be barred from running hospitals

The Catholic Church is buying up every hospital they can find because

1) It is profitable
2) It allows them to enforce their views of women as vessels for God to impregnate with souls.

I feel that all Catholic hospitals should require women to sign a form recognizing that a bishop will decide the standard of their care, and that they will be left to die if it means saving a fetus.
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