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Damned Catholics
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Just another huge criminal excess of the Catholic Church that involves human trafficking

Quote:Taken Under Fascism, Spain’s ‘Stolen Babies’ Are Learning the Truth


According to the birth mothers, nuns who worked in maternity wards took the infants shortly after they were delivered and told the women, who were often unwed or poor, that their children were stillborn. But the babies were not dead: They had been sold, discreetly, to well-off Catholic parents, many of whom could not have families of their own. Under a pile of forged papers, the adoptive families buried the secret of the crime they committed. The children who were taken were known in Spain simply as the “stolen babies.” No one knows exactly how many were kidnapped, but estimates suggest tens of thousands.

In the late 1930s and 1940s, Antonio Vallejo-Nájera, a leading psychiatrist in the regime who was trained in Nazi Germany, promoted the idea of a Marxist “red gene” carried by the children of Franco’s left-wing opponents. The gene, he said, might be suppressed by removing children from their mothers and placing them with conservative families. Franco’s men soon began the abductions on a large scale. They targeted children orphaned by Franco’s firing squads and took newborns belonging to women who had given birth in jail as political prisoners. All were sent to be raised by regime loyalists. The era of the “stolen babies” had begun.

Franco’s rule also marked a dramatic turn for the Catholic Church, which allowed its nuns and priests to become partners of the right-wing regime. They commanded the education system, where children were to be instructed in Catholic values, learning to read using the Bible. Franco also ceded oversight of parts of the state-run hospital system to the clergy. Nuns often sat alongside top management at hospitals, helping to select staff and overseeing the budget. But their influence was perhaps strongest in the hospitals’ charity floors that took in the poor. There, the nuns were often deployed to encourage single mothers to give their babies up for adoption to married couples.

“The mothers were no longer prisoners, leftists or the wives of leftists,” wrote the journalists Jesús Duva and Natalia Junquera in “Stolen Lives,” a 2011 book about the kidnappings. “It was no longer about political repression, even though, in many ways, the victims continued to be from the same defeated social classes: poor couples.” For a time, the arrangement ran smoothly. But by the 1960s, Franco had opened Spain to tourism and multinational industries, which brought foreigners with more liberal ideologies. The economy also boomed, giving women more independence. Being an unwed mother was no longer as impossible as it once seemed. “The supply of babies began to fall,” Soledad Arroyo, a journalist who investigated early accusations, told me. “But it had already generated a huge black market in the illegal trafficking of babies. What do you do?”

Some nuns — aided by doctors, nurses and midwives — began to abduct babies to meet demand. In certain cases, the nuns still managed to persuade mothers to give up their children willingly, though many say they were coerced into surrendering their newborns. Others say they were sedated in the delivery room and then told, when they woke up, that their babies had died. In reality, the children had been sold to other families.

I.M. started working at the clinic when she was a teenager and remembered Sister María being severe and unrelenting. But it was the nun’s behavior toward the unwed women on the charity floor that surprised her the most. Sister María would refer to them as “heathens” and “subversives,” sometimes to their faces. Many of the babies had been reported dead, I.M. said, including some she had seen alive in their incubators hours before. There were rumors that the body of at least one newborn was preserved in a refrigerator, though I.M never knew why. (Some I interviewed said that mothers who demanded to see the remains of their children were shown corpses of other babies.)

She also remembered a blue notebook that sat on Sister María’s desk in the clinic. Inside were lists of names, many of which I.M. recognized as prospective parents she had seen visiting the nun. They came to the clinic in the morning, always with a check. Sister María would interview them for several hours, and if things went well, the families left with a baby that afternoon. In another column of the notebook, I.M. had also seen numbers marked in pesetas. The amounts didn’t seem like donations to her; some of the figures amounted to weeks of wages.

David Rodríguez, then a student in Madrid who took his story to local journalists, said that his mother had told him she paid 60,000 pesetas to Sister María when she adopted him.

https://www.nytimes.com/2022/09/27/magaz...abies.html
teachings of the Bible are so muddled and self-contradictory that it was possible for Christians to happily burn heretics alive for five long centuries. It was even possible for the most venerated patriarchs of the Church, like St. Augustine and St. Thomas Aquinas, to conclude that heretics should be tortured (Augustine) or killed outright (Aquinas). Martin Luther and John Calvin advocated the wholesale murder of heretics, apostates, Jews, and witches. - Sam Harris, "Letter To A Christian Nation"
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Do priests and nuns watch pornography? Yes, pope admits while condemning the behavior

Pope Francis, the head of the Catholic Church, condemned digital pornography while speaking at the Vatican about social media use.

The pope spoke to and answered questions from a group of seminarians and priests studying in Rome, Italy, on Monday, Oct. 24, according to the full text of the event published on Vatican City’s website.

Pornography, the pope said, “is a vice that has so many people, so many lay people, so many lay women and also priests and nuns,” according to a translation by Sky News.

“I tell you, (pornography) is something that weakens the soul,” the pope warned, according to Sky News. “It weakens the soul. The devil enters from there: he weakens the priestly heart.” “Delete this from your phone, so you will not have temptation in hand,” he said, according to BBC.

https://www.miamiherald.com/news/nation-...35457.html
teachings of the Bible are so muddled and self-contradictory that it was possible for Christians to happily burn heretics alive for five long centuries. It was even possible for the most venerated patriarchs of the Church, like St. Augustine and St. Thomas Aquinas, to conclude that heretics should be tortured (Augustine) or killed outright (Aquinas). Martin Luther and John Calvin advocated the wholesale murder of heretics, apostates, Jews, and witches. - Sam Harris, "Letter To A Christian Nation"
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(October 27, 2022 at 10:30 pm)Fake Messiah Wrote: Pornography, the pope said, “is a vice that has so many people, so many lay people, so many lay women and also priests and nuns,” according to a translation by Sky News.
The Pope went on to admit that he could not define pornography, but that, "I know it when I see it."
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(September 20, 2022 at 9:03 pm)Fake Messiah Wrote: If you haven't clicked on the above video you should because it shows what a gangsta pope is.

It's made by a man in his 50s(?) whose sister was kidnapped in the middle of the Vatican back in 1981 when both of them were kids. And turns out she was kidnapped because Pope John Paul II stole money from the Italian mafia, which held a big part of the Vatican Bank, to blackmail the Vatican to return the money. John Paul II refused to return the money and the girl was sacrificed for it.

There is also a new Netflix documentary series about this case



teachings of the Bible are so muddled and self-contradictory that it was possible for Christians to happily burn heretics alive for five long centuries. It was even possible for the most venerated patriarchs of the Church, like St. Augustine and St. Thomas Aquinas, to conclude that heretics should be tortured (Augustine) or killed outright (Aquinas). Martin Luther and John Calvin advocated the wholesale murder of heretics, apostates, Jews, and witches. - Sam Harris, "Letter To A Christian Nation"
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A priest in Kerry gave a sermon so bad that even the local bishop told him "for fuck's sake, you're an idiot".

In the sermon he castigated gay people, transgender people and said that the HSE's (Irish health service) free condom programme programme "encouraged promiscuity". As a consequence a significant portion of the congregation walked out of the church (fair play to them), he started ranting and raving that they were all going to hell without Jesus in their lives. Essentially his whole performance was a live show Jack Chick tract.

Well today he went on the radio and it got a whole lot worse. By the way, on his whole conspiracy on the same sex marriage and abortion referenda being fixed, the only people who received American money in a big way were the likes of Lolek Ltd t/a the iOnanist Institute and friends who were against both referenda and have been funded by funny money and have had links to far right groups for donkeys years.

PS the priest retired out of America.
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(November 2, 2022 at 3:02 pm)GUBU Wrote: A priest in Kerry gave a sermon so bad that even the local bishop told him "for fuck's sake, you're an idiot".

In the sermon he castigated gay people, transgender people and said that the HSE's (Irish health service) free condom programme programme "encouraged promiscuity".  As a consequence a significant portion of the congregation walked out of the church (fair play to them), he started ranting and raving that they were all going to hell without Jesus in their lives.  Essentially his whole performance was a live show Jack Chick tract.

Well today he went on the radio and it got a whole lot worse. By the way, on his whole conspiracy on the same sex marriage and abortion referenda being fixed, the only people who received American money in a big way were the likes of Lolek Ltd t/a the iOnanist Institute and friends who were against both referenda and have been funded by funny money and have had links to far right groups for donkeys years.

PS the priest retired out of America.

Blush Sorry, we seem to be exporting them to everywhere. I'd hoped for more of them boiled, in Africa. /sarcastic bad joke  Hehe
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(November 2, 2022 at 8:28 pm)Fireball Wrote:
(November 2, 2022 at 3:02 pm)GUBU Wrote: A priest in Kerry gave a sermon so bad that even the local bishop told him "for fuck's sake, you're an idiot".

In the sermon he castigated gay people, transgender people and said that the HSE's (Irish health service) free condom programme programme "encouraged promiscuity".  As a consequence a significant portion of the congregation walked out of the church (fair play to them), he started ranting and raving that they were all going to hell without Jesus in their lives.  Essentially his whole performance was a live show Jack Chick tract.

Well today he went on the radio and it got a whole lot worse. By the way, on his whole conspiracy on the same sex marriage and abortion referenda being fixed, the only people who received American money in a big way were the likes of Lolek Ltd t/a the iOnanist Institute and friends who were against both referenda and have been funded by funny money and have had links to far right groups for donkeys years.

PS the priest retired out of America.

Blush Sorry, we seem to be exporting them to everywhere. I'd hoped for more of them boiled, in Africa. /sarcastic bad joke  Hehe

He's a re-export. We exported him to ye first, ye just returned the favour.

Though it does pickle me tink that the priest in question is so rightwing that even the very conservati e and rigid bishop of Kerry saw fit to slap him down.
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Catholic-owned gelato shop in AL bans phones, cursing, and bare shoulders

Villaggio Colafrancesco, a new gelato shop in Birmingham, Alabama, comes with a conservative Catholic twist: Customers are forbidden from wearing short shorts or spandex leggings, exposing their shoulders or cleavage, and cannot use their phones or laptops inside. Any actions that violate the “norm of Christian behavior” is prohibited.

https://onlysky.media/hemant-mehta/catho...shoulders/
teachings of the Bible are so muddled and self-contradictory that it was possible for Christians to happily burn heretics alive for five long centuries. It was even possible for the most venerated patriarchs of the Church, like St. Augustine and St. Thomas Aquinas, to conclude that heretics should be tortured (Augustine) or killed outright (Aquinas). Martin Luther and John Calvin advocated the wholesale murder of heretics, apostates, Jews, and witches. - Sam Harris, "Letter To A Christian Nation"
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Ohhh.. those shoulders... driving me wild, I may have to phone someone!
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(November 19, 2022 at 1:22 pm)Fake Messiah Wrote: Catholic-owned gelato shop in AL bans phones, cursing, and bare shoulders

Villaggio Colafrancesco, a new gelato shop in Birmingham, Alabama, comes with a conservative Catholic twist: Customers are forbidden from wearing short shorts or spandex leggings, exposing their shoulders or cleavage, and cannot use their phones or laptops inside. Any actions that violate the “norm of Christian behavior” is prohibited.

Priests goosing little boys is pretty much a norm these days.
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