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Name one objectively bad person
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Clowns. You can measure the size and colour of their noses and feet, the amount of make up and the garishness of their clothes.
Bring on the surveillance state and shoot them on sight I say. No one will complain ... except the clowns but they only have themselves to blame.  Thumpalumpacus Wrote:the god you've recently adopted uses killing as a tool for correction all the time; indeed, he invented dying, according to Genesis. I think morality should concern us mostly if we apply the same standards we have for each other to God..it's definitely not going to make sense. It will be like little babies making comparisons with adults. God as a power, authority figure or guiding light is on a whole different level. Anyway, I original point was that there are obviously objectively bad people like for example child rapists, there is no subjective morality there..the fact that we can look at something and say that that is objectively wrong period means there definitely is such a standard. Subjective morality implies or means "learned" to a certain degree but there is clear evidence of the opposite everywhere around us.animals taking care of its children or acting a certain way...who taught them? So if it's possible for them I think it's possible for us also  RE: Name one objectively bad person
October 13, 2017 at 6:14 am
(This post was last modified: October 13, 2017 at 6:17 am by I_am_not_mafia.)
(October 13, 2017 at 5:45 am)pool the matey Wrote: Anyway, I original point was that there are obviously objectively bad people like for example child rapists, there is no subjective morality there Well there is subjective morality there. Some child rapists try justifying what they do. Others believe that their urges are wrong and try to fight it. I find that when people use the word 'obviously' in a sentence generally don't want others to question the point that they are making.  (October 13, 2017 at 5:53 am)Gawdzilla Sama Wrote:Humans are animals.(October 12, 2017 at 10:17 pm)chimp3 Wrote: Argue anything objectively good about Hitler! Do the math!
God thinks it's fun to confuse primates. Larsen's God!
That's because clowns are creepy. They're the exception.
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RE: Name one objectively bad person
October 13, 2017 at 8:48 am
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(October 13, 2017 at 5:45 am)pool the matey Wrote:Thumpalumpacus Wrote:the god you've recently adopted uses killing as a tool for correction all the time; indeed, he invented dying, according to Genesis. ...........? If child rape is objectively wrong - then so too is exhorting your followers to rape children. If it doesn't make sense to say that god was objectively wrong to exhort his followers to rape children - then it doesn't make sense to say that a human being who does the same is objectively wrong. That's the defining trait of an objective morality or objective moral statement. That some fact about action x makes it wrong. Not that some fact x about a specific moral actor makes it wrong.
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October 13, 2017 at 10:38 am
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(October 13, 2017 at 5:45 am)pool the matey Wrote:Thumpalumpacus Wrote:the god you've recently adopted uses killing as a tool for correction all the time; indeed, he invented dying, according to Genesis. Ah, so you accept that morality is subjective, then. (October 13, 2017 at 5:45 am)pool the matey Wrote: Anyway, I original point was that there are obviously objectively bad people like for example child rapists, there is no subjective morality there..the fact that we can look at something and say that that is objectively wrong period means there definitely is such a standard. Subjective morality implies or means "learned" to a certain degree but there is clear evidence of the opposite everywhere around us.animals taking care of its children or acting a certain way...who taught them? So if it's possible for them I think it's possible for us also No, that's not what "subjective" means. Subjective morality is the acceptance of differing moral standards based on the subject (actor) of a given act. It should also be pointed out that simply because a majority of humans agree that something is moral, that does not mean any act is moral. I can imagine why people would reject your example of child rape that have nothing to do with the higher thinking of human morality -- for instance, the fact that concern for children is a basic human quality arising from our evolution as a species with a long and helpless childhood. That is, of course, exactly why other animals take care of their young. Surely even you can see the survival value of involved child-rearing in animals with a long juvenile period. Your post is simply a long-winded act of begging the question. |
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