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RE: Two scenarios that may/may not happen.
October 12, 2017 at 2:43 pm
(October 12, 2017 at 8:55 am)RayOfLight Wrote: Would your atheism be "shaken" if such far stretching hypothetical situation ever became a reality? And why? No, my atheism isn't an issue or product of the truth of evolutionary theory. The only way to "shake my atheism" is for someone to produce a god.
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What do you think of such argument?
Not much, to be frank. Particularly in that, for me at least..whether jesus was historical, legendary, or mythical is irrelevant to why I'm not a christian.
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RE: Two scenarios that may/may not happen.
October 12, 2017 at 7:05 pm
I seriously doubt that evolution is going to be falsified. As more data is uncovered the origins of our and other species is redefined. Some religious faiths are very ridged, they are unable or unwilling to adapt to scientific discovery and changing social norms. Other religious faiths are adjusting to modern science and culture quite well.
If Jesus lived or if he was made up really does not matter now. Christianity shaped western society, what difference does it make if it was not based in reality. The message of the various faith will not change if you come to the conclusion that Jesus never lived. Take what you want from your religion and leave the rest, that is what most people do.
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RE: Two scenarios that may/may not happen.
October 12, 2017 at 8:50 pm
(October 12, 2017 at 7:05 pm)Hammok Man Wrote: I seriously doubt that evolution is going to be falsified. As more data is uncovered the origins of our and other species is redefined.
Agreed, thoiugh I would say refined rather than redefined. Every new development takes us closer to actuality than before.
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RE: Two scenarios that may/may not happen.
October 12, 2017 at 8:51 pm
Quote:Christianity shaped western society,
Jesusism shaped western society until the late 17th century when everyone seems to have woken up and told them to go fuck themselves. After that it was the principles of the Enlightenment that shaped the west and the church could go suck a dick.
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RE: Two scenarios that may/may not happen.
October 13, 2017 at 12:04 am
(October 12, 2017 at 10:47 am)Minimalist Wrote: 1. If evolution were suddenly proven false that would still not provide one scintilla of evidence that the bible bullshit story is "true."
2. Please don't give me the "all historians agree" horseshit. They do not. And when you ask what evidence is used to base their conclusion what you end up with is a regurgitation of the same old gospel shit which no real historian would ever consider historical evidence.
Please don't tell me what I can and can't write here, okay? good! Now, I didn't say "all historians agree", what I said was " a good number of historians" that's different. And the Gospels are indeed historical materials; you don't have to be a Christian to accept that. Now are all the things written in them as true, some yes and some no, but you don't dismiss entire books just because you happen to not agree with what they say. History is full of documents that are not 100% accurate. Nevertheless, they're used by historians.
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RE: Two scenarios that may/may not happen.
October 13, 2017 at 12:07 am
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Unless the parts that are "used by historians" and are "historical" are the parts with a zombie jew..it's irrelevant to the truth of christianity. Christ is a title, not a surname.
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RE: Two scenarios that may/may not happen.
October 13, 2017 at 12:10 am
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(October 12, 2017 at 8:51 pm)Minimalist Wrote: Quote:Christianity shaped western society,
Jesusism shaped western society until the late 17th century when everyone seems to have woken up and told them to go fuck themselves. After that it was the principles of the Enlightenment that shaped the west and the church could go suck a dick.
You're wrong, this myth that you believe in which claims that the West before the 17th century was an awful place, and people were ignorant is just that, a myth. And "everyone seems to have woken up and told them..." everyone? Really? Do you even believe that statement?. You seem to be one of the few atheists that just hate religion and have a total disregard to any facts that support religion, and that is as dogmatic and as dangerous as the religion you stand against. You don't have to be a fundamentalist who hates religion to be an atheist.
Whether you like it or not, Christianity shaped the Western Culture before and even after the 17th century. And not just that, but also the Islamic Science that was produced by the Muslim Thinkers at the time when they kept and translated the writings of the Greek and the Romans to Arabic and which some of them later on were translated by Europeans. So in a nutshell, the writings of the great philosophers wouldn't have existed if it wasn't for the monks who kept some of them and the Muslim Thinkers who translated many of them later on.
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RE: Two scenarios that may/may not happen.
October 13, 2017 at 12:11 am
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(October 13, 2017 at 12:04 am)RayOfLight Wrote: (October 12, 2017 at 10:47 am)Minimalist Wrote: 1. If evolution were suddenly proven false that would still not provide one scintilla of evidence that the bible bullshit story is "true."
2. Please don't give me the "all historians agree" horseshit. They do not. And when you ask what evidence is used to base their conclusion what you end up with is a regurgitation of the same old gospel shit which no real historian would ever consider historical evidence.
Please don't tell me what I can and can't write here, okay?
He didn't. Stop playing the martyr card. It's very boring.
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RE: Two scenarios that may/may not happen.
October 13, 2017 at 12:14 am
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Until you can identify a single one of those facts.....Ray, it looks like a pretext to fling shit.
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RE: Two scenarios that may/may not happen.
October 13, 2017 at 12:20 am
Moron jesus freaks think they are historical. I suppose you think it is a historical fact that your godboy flew up to fucking heaven, right?
We do not know who wrote them. We don't know when they were written. We don't know what, if any, source material was used for the original story (Gmark) although we can see that the later stories were largely copied from that one.
That is not history son. That is religious bullshit.
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