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No; your foreign policy is really shitty, man !!
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No; your foreign policy is really shitty, man !!





Let's take the cash of these uncivilized bedwins. Just like we did to the native Americans.
Papa Cortez was so rich due to his acts: invade, kill, take. You are white ! unlike these brown savages !






https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spanish_Inquisition

Kill the savages; take their oil and gold; use:
1-Divide and you shall conquer over the vermin.
2-If there is no war; no grudge between your army and their; FALSE FLAG. Make a scene. Make that war. Invent it.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/False_flag
3-There is no life but this life, so why not do anything? literally. Means justified !

Greed. Take and plunder, kill and steal.  It's ironic that the person who killed 80 million people in two wars only, is lecturing me about human rights.



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Once upon a time, a guy killed 80 Million people, and claimed to know a lot about human rights.
People laughed.

Thank you for supporting shithead dictators with cash and weapons, and call it "preserving peace"

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RE: No; your foreign policy is really shitty, man !!
Goodness, at least be a little more accurate in this stuff.  We didn't take the native's money..if they had any money things might have gone better for them, lol.  We took their land, and their lives.  Is that what you'd like to see happen to the bedouin?  Well, okay, and how much would you pay to make that happen?

The spanish inquisition was about taking the things of the more civilized and refined.  Witch hunters got to keep a portion of the accused's property if they wee found guilty...and they predictably were.  The rest went to the church.  It was a good way to get rid of business rivals, and competing romantic interests, as well.  They had to have gotten at least a few homosexuals though, so that's silver lining for you, right?

If you want peace, Atlass, prepare for war.
Eat em up beat em up then switch sides.


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RE: No; your foreign policy is really shitty, man !!
(7th November 2017, 14:16)Khemikal Wrote: Goodness, at least be a little more accurate in this stuff.  We didn't take the native's money..if they had any money things might have gone better for them, lol.  We took their land, and their lives.  Is that what you'd like to see happen to the bedouin?  Well, okay, and how much would you pay to make that happen?

The spanish inquisition was about taking the things of the more civilized and refined.  Witch hunters got to keep a portion of the accused's property if they wee found guilty...and they predictably were.  The rest went to the church.  It was a good way to get rid of business rivals, and competing romantic interests, as well.  They had to have gotten at least a few homosexuals though, so that's silver lining for you, right?  

If you want peace, Atlass, prepare for war.

You are not kidding; right?
Cortez; The Natives' gold, the booties? the slave markets?

Nobody thought but about the "Gold in the new world away from poor Europe".
Just believe me. Your face, clothes, the way you speak, the money you have, the things you own, the car you drive, nothing of that defines you; only your actions do, only, that's your worth. Every action can be one of two: good or bad. That is you. Don't allow anybody to fool you into self-hating because of stupid standards, that sidetracks you from the main categories that define you.
-Everybody is equal
-You;re not better than others by birth
-You're not your birth marks and scars
-You're your deeds
-AtlasS
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RE: No; your foreign policy is really shitty, man !!
I know right?  When we think of the conquest we're told about how everyone went looking for gold, and more and more people went looking, and we imagine treasure ships loaded down to the waterline.  I guess it makes for a good story...but....

Columbus first voyage was almost exclusively in search of gold.  He's imagined today as an intrepid explorer..but he was more of a prospector than anything else, and not a very good one.  We have one of his diaries, still.  God is mentioned 26 times.  Gold, 114.  On his first voyage, he trade for gold on Hispaniola.  The trip had cost @2million maravedis.  He brought back a few thousand.  His second trip he managed 11k maravedis.....the voyage cost 3 million.  It only took Columbus three years to find all the gold the natives had collected in the entire time they;d been on the islands.  Eventually, a series of mines were constructed and managed with slave labor, but it only took 25 years to mine out the caribbean.  It's estimated that they produced about a ton a year from 1503-1530.  

Nevertheless, the spanish crown pushed on.  They were cheifly engaged in trying to secure greater power over the mediterranean than what was held by muslims, and the cost of their goals could only be supported if they found new gold in the new world.  The pittance coming in was vastly insufficient.  Ferdinand actually wrote a letter to spanish colonists of the new world in 1511.  "Get gold, humanely if possible, but at all hazard get gold."  In 1513 and 1517, Balboa and Cortez answered that call.  In Panama by annexation and Mexico by conquest respectively.  It went pretty much as it went on the caribean, at first.  Cortez looting what gold the aztecs had looted from their enemies and not much else coming from it.  Amusingly, the first treasure ships cortez sent back never made it to spain.  They were hit by french privateers.

It was 1533, when Pizarro conquered the Inca in Peru, that shit really took off.  It's not so much that the gold taken as loot in trinkets and jewelry before then wasn't a goodly amount....but that the expense of the operations to secure them was often equal or greater than the amount secured.  In Peru it was different.  They found an open shallow mine that the Incas had operated.  All the gold that came from the americas in the 1530's came from Peru...because the other sources had been worked out or their labor pools had been worked to death.  The mine was at a place called Potosi, 13k feet in altitude, and almost three months journey out from Lima.  The spanish would organize the Mita to get it, which was a system of labor conscription that the natives had come up. Convenient.

The reason for this...was that the only people suitable for work at this site were the natives.  It takes novel physiology to mine at altitude.  However, because native mining methods and equipment were crude, fuel scarce, refining innefficient, and the richest veins depleted almost immediately....it all looked like it was going to fizzle out like it had done everywhere else in the new world.  In 1596 spain sent a new viceroy to Peru, Toledo...and he brought with him something they called the patio process.  Mercury amalgamation.  Essentially, they could refine lower quality ores by crushing it to paste, spreading it out on a patio, and sprinkling it with mercury.  This opened up mining all over the new world, and spain maintained central control of the mines by controlling the mercury supply.  Due to the nature of that process...silver became the main product of the mines - especially north of mexico city (though it also increased gold production).  This created a boom, and even boom towns.  However, by the early 1600's, most of the mines were operating at break even cost.  

None of that kept the spanish crown from going bankrupt. There simply wasn't enough gold in the new world to do that, lol. If you want to talk about how the new world was -really- exploited.....that's the story of sugar, not gold...and it takes off right where the story of gold cuts out.


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