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RE: How do you reconcile your god, the mass murderer?
November 29, 2017 at 11:00 am
Give it 2k years Brian.
I am the Infantry. I am my country’s strength in war, her deterrent in peace. I am the heart of the fight… wherever, whenever. I carry America’s faith and honor against her enemies. I am the Queen of Battle. I am what my country expects me to be, the best trained Soldier in the world. In the race for victory, I am swift, determined, and courageous, armed with a fierce will to win. Never will I fail my country’s trust. Always I fight on…through the foe, to the objective, to triumph overall. If necessary, I will fight to my death. By my steadfast courage, I have won more than 200 years of freedom. I yield not to weakness, to hunger, to cowardice, to fatigue, to superior odds, For I am mentally tough, physically strong, and morally straight. I forsake not, my country, my mission, my comrades, my sacred duty. I am relentless. I am always there, now and forever. I AM THE INFANTRY! FOLLOW ME!
RE: How do you reconcile your god, the mass murderer?
November 29, 2017 at 11:08 am
(November 29, 2017 at 5:22 am)Godscreated Wrote:
(November 27, 2017 at 1:23 pm)Abaddon_ire Wrote: According to the bible god is not invincible at all.
Judges 1:19 God gets defeated by iron chariots
God did not defeat those armies because the Israelites had disobeyed God, God had already started their punishment for their disobedience just as He promised them He would while Moses was still alive.
Abaddon_ire Wrote:Gen 32:22-32 Jacob wrestles god into submission. god then cheats.
Cheats now that is funny, Jesus has all this power and allows Jacob to struggle all night long then jesus uses this power to show Jacob it's useless to struggle against God. God will come out on top every time.
Abaddon_ire Wrote:Gen 3:22 god fears Adam becoming his equal.
Care to show the biblical explanation for this, betting you can't.
Abaddon_ire Wrote:Gen 11:1-9 god fears the tower of Babel.
Care to show the biblical explanation for this, bet you can't. God had given a command to the people to spread out into the world and they disobeyed so He gave them reason to. God wasn't afraid of some stone tower, He knew they needed to spread out over the planet so they wouldn't become like the pre-flood people were.
GC
How deaf and blind are you exactly.
GC
Really? All of that is in your very own holy babble
Quote:And the LORD was with Judah; and he drave out the inhabitants of the mountain; but could not drive out the inhabitants of the valley, because they had chariots of iron.
That is what the holey babble actually says. Is your book wrong?
Gen 32:22-32, yeah Jacob wins in a fair fight against god. god resorts to squeezing jacob's balls to get out of the lock jacob had on him. To whit...
Quote:And when he saw that he prevailed not against him, he touched the hollow of his thigh; and the hollow of Jacob's thigh was out of joint, as he wrestled with him.
Gen 3:22 ...
Quote:And the LORD God said, Behold, the man is become as one of us, to know good and evil: and now, lest he put forth his hand, and take also of the tree of life, and eat, and live for ever:
Yup, bible god was scared.
Tower of babel? Gen. 11:1-9
Quote:And the whole earth was of one language, and of one speech.
No, because that is explicitly denied by Gen. 10:5, Gen. 10:20 and Gen. 10:31
RE: How do you reconcile your god, the mass murderer?
November 29, 2017 at 11:19 am
(November 29, 2017 at 11:00 am)Khemikal Wrote: Give it 2k years Brian.
Lots of people, including some atheists I have run into, when I say things like Star Wars or Harry Potter could get turned into a religion, they scoff.
To that I say, I wouldn't. IE L. Ron. Hubbard was a science fiction writer and managed to start a religion. Point being, never underestimate human credulity en mass.
When you look at our entire species history we know beliefs come and go and religions once believed to be true we now call mythology. I don't see human behavior in this respect changing.
Legends and stories are how all new religions get started. It should also not surprise anyone here if Jewish or Christian or Muslim religions in say 5k or 10k, if we don't blow ourselves up and still exist, that future world population will look back at today's religions as mythology.
This is also why even now, even with atheists, while legal sure, I don't like the idea of atheists creating "atheist churches". They may currently call it benevolent and it may be. But power shifts over time and we should never assume things will stay that way.
ALL of the competing groups in our species history will try to come up with new ideas and form groups out of them but it still remains our species ability to be cruel or compassionate is not in a club, but in us as individuals.
RE: How do you reconcile your god, the mass murderer?
November 29, 2017 at 11:34 am
(November 29, 2017 at 10:25 am)Abaddon_ire Wrote: God, as described in the bible, is an immoral thug, a butcher, a slaver, a hypocrite, a liar, a rapist, and so forth.
Is that clear enough or must I swear to get the point across?
You left out that it/god does all of that of compassion and love.
Is god schizophrenic?
Being told you're delusional does not necessarily mean you're mental.
RE: How do you reconcile your god, the mass murderer?
November 29, 2017 at 11:35 am (This post was last modified: November 29, 2017 at 11:37 am by The Grand Nudger.)
(November 29, 2017 at 11:19 am)Brian37 Wrote: Lots of people, including some atheists I have run into, when I say things like Star Wars or Harry Potter could get turned into a religion, they scoff.
Imagine what our descendants might think if...for whatever reason, as they sift through the rubble of ancient civilizations they mostly find star wars and star wars fan fic. Would it really be beyond the pale for them to believe that these were "gospel accounts"? Whenceforth cometh jesusism, then?
I am the Infantry. I am my country’s strength in war, her deterrent in peace. I am the heart of the fight… wherever, whenever. I carry America’s faith and honor against her enemies. I am the Queen of Battle. I am what my country expects me to be, the best trained Soldier in the world. In the race for victory, I am swift, determined, and courageous, armed with a fierce will to win. Never will I fail my country’s trust. Always I fight on…through the foe, to the objective, to triumph overall. If necessary, I will fight to my death. By my steadfast courage, I have won more than 200 years of freedom. I yield not to weakness, to hunger, to cowardice, to fatigue, to superior odds, For I am mentally tough, physically strong, and morally straight. I forsake not, my country, my mission, my comrades, my sacred duty. I am relentless. I am always there, now and forever. I AM THE INFANTRY! FOLLOW ME!
RE: How do you reconcile your god, the mass murderer?
November 29, 2017 at 2:59 pm
(November 29, 2017 at 11:34 am)mh.brewer Wrote:
(November 29, 2017 at 10:25 am)Abaddon_ire Wrote: God, as described in the bible, is an immoral thug, a butcher, a slaver, a hypocrite, a liar, a rapist, and so forth.
Is that clear enough or must I swear to get the point across?
You left out that it/god does all of that of compassion and love.
Is god schizophrenic?
No. If the bible is any guide then god is nukking futs.
RE: How do you reconcile your god, the mass murderer?
November 29, 2017 at 4:24 pm
(November 29, 2017 at 10:38 am)Brian37 Wrote:
(November 29, 2017 at 4:45 am)Bow Before Zeus Wrote: You do know that to an atheist you look like a primitive witch doctor pointing a bone at him threatening him with death. The atheist is not afraid of you or your primitive threats.
Nobody should fear a fictional super natural anything. But I do fear human logic that leads humans en mass based on that bad logic to harm others.
I am not afraid of Yoda either, but would be if a "Star Wars" fan club started a religion out of it, gained political power, and started oppressing non Star Wars fans.
RE: How do you reconcile your god, the mass murderer?
November 30, 2017 at 8:31 am (This post was last modified: November 30, 2017 at 8:55 am by Fake Messiah.)
(November 30, 2017 at 6:59 am)Starhunter Wrote:
(November 29, 2017 at 10:25 am)Abaddon_ire Wrote: God, as described in the bible, is an immoral thug, a butcher, a slaver, a hypocrite, a liar, a rapist, and so forth.
Is that clear enough or must I swear to get the point across?
Do you have any proof of that, such as actual texts which say that, or are you just venting?
Bloodthirsty:
The Lord has a sword; it is sated with blood. Isaiah 34:6
For the life of the flesh is in the blood; and I have given it to you for making atonement for your lives on the altar; for, as life, it is the blood that makes atonement. Leviticus 17:11
He [Moses] rose early in the morning, and built an altar at the foot of the mountain, and set up twelve pillars, corresponding to the twelve tribes of Israel. He sent young men of the people of Israel, who offered burnt offerings and sacrificed oxen as offerings of well-being to the Lord. Moses took half of the blood and put it in basins, and half of the blood he dashed against the altar. Exodus 24:4–6
And, thou son of man, thus saith the Lord God; Speak unto every feathered fowl, and to every beast of the field, Assemble yourselves, and come; gather yourselves on every side to my sacrifice that I do sacrifice for you, even a great sacrifice upon the mountains of Israel, that ye may eat flesh, and drink blood. Ye shall eat the flesh of the mighty, and drink the blood of the princes of the earth, of rams, of lambs, and of goats, of bullocks, all of them fatlings of Bashan. Ezekiel 39:17–18
For this is the day of the Lord God of hosts, a day of vengeance, that he may avenge him of his adversaries: and the sword shall devour, and it shall be satiate and made drunk with their blood. Jeremiah 46:10
I will make my arrows drunk with blood, while my sword devours flesh: the blood of the slain and the captives, the heads of the enemy leaders.’ Rejoice, you nations, with his people, for he will avenge the blood of his servants; he will take vengeance on his enemies and make atonement for his land and people. Deuteronomy 32:42
The Lord is angry with all nations; his wrath is on all their armies. He will totally destroy them, he will give them over to slaughter. Their slain will be thrown out, their dead bodies will stink; the mountains will be soaked with their blood. Isaiah 34:2–3
Thus says the Lord of hosts, the God of Israel. … Cursed is he who does the work of the Lord with slackness; and cursed is he who keeps back his sword from bloodshed. Jeremiah 48:1, 10
Infanticidal
I will punish the world for its evil. … Whoever is found will be thrust through, and whoever is caught will fall by the sword. Their infants will be dashed in pieces before their eyes; their houses will be plundered and their wives ravished. … Their bows will slaughter the young men; they will have no mercy on the fruit of the womb; their eyes will not pity children. Isaiah 13:11–18
Thus saith the Lord of hosts, I remember that which Amalek did to Israel. … Now go and smite Amalek, and utterly destroy all that they have, and spare them not; but slay both man and woman, infant and suckling, ox and sheep, camel and ass. 1 Samuel 15:2–3
And Nob, the city of the priests, smote he with the edge of the sword, both men and women, children and sucklings, and oxen, and asses, and sheep, with the edge of the sword. 1 Samuel 22:19
Yet was she carried away, she went into captivity: her young children also were dashed in pieces at the top of all the streets. Nahum 3:10
Samaria shall become desolate; for she hath rebelled against her God: they shall fall by the sword: their infants shall be dashed in pieces, and their women with child shall be ripped up. Hosea 13:16
Now therefore kill every male among the little ones, and kill every woman that hath known man by lying with him. Numbers 31:17
And I will dash them one against another, even the fathers and the sons together, saith the Lord: I will not pity, nor spare, nor have mercy, but destroy them. Jeremiah 13:14
If thy brother, the son of thy mother, or thy son, or thy daughter, or the wife of thy bosom, or thy friend, which is as thine own soul, entice thee secretly, saying, Let us go and serve other gods. … But thou shalt surely kill him. … And thou shalt stone him with stones, that he die; because he hath sought to thrust thee away from the Lord thy God, which brought thee out of the land of Egypt, from the house of bondage. And all Israel shall hear, and fear, and shall do no more any such wickedness as this is among you. Deuteronomy 13:6–11
and so on and on
teachings of the Bible are so muddled and self-contradictory that it was possible for Christians to happily burn heretics alive for five long centuries. It was even possible for the most venerated patriarchs of the Church, like St. Augustine and St. Thomas Aquinas, to conclude that heretics should be tortured (Augustine) or killed outright (Aquinas). Martin Luther and John Calvin advocated the wholesale murder of heretics, apostates, Jews, and witches. - Sam Harris, "Letter To A Christian Nation"
RE: How do you reconcile your god, the mass murderer?
November 30, 2017 at 9:29 am (This post was last modified: November 30, 2017 at 9:31 am by The Grand Nudger.)
(November 26, 2017 at 8:41 am)Starhunter Wrote:
It took me a lifetime to work out the moral and ethical issues in the Bible, because some of them are really tricky.
When you first read, you naturally judge by your experiences and attitudes, and when something is irreconcilable with what you think is ethical, then you are faced with the task of working out the truth or rejecting it.
I remember I had a real issue with the execution of women and children, (as if it's ok to kill a man !)
And there are many examples of what I thought were total miscarriages of justice...
For example. there was this city whose inhabitants declared war on Israel. Some of these cultures lived for war, and would do it only for the sake of it.
God told Israel to create a scene where their armies were to flee, only to ambush the city from another angle.
Every human being in that city came out after the Israelites, man, woman AND CHILD, sorry, but there were no children at all, the children were systematically sacrificed as part of their lifestyle, if one can call it that, so that they could have their rituals without the care for their offspring. Really cruel practices. All the children were already dead.
God ordered them all to be wiped out - their whole culture was to disappear from off the face of the earth. Including its diseased and neglected animal life, because the people had sex with the poor confused animals, and they sacrificed them as well. Then the city was to be burned to the ground.
Many of these cultures, would select the children in their infancy, through various rituals such as "passing through the fire."
The intelligent and sensitive child, would most likely be the one who is aware of the danger, would hesitate to run through the flames, it would be killed (sacrificed) as a failure, it wasn't 'brave.'
This method of selection, gradually wiped out the intelligent genes in the race, until the nation consisted of pure warmongering brutes.
When a culture reached this stage after decades and even centuries of rebellion against the God of heaven, they were terminated - all of them, with their thickened offspring.
The Israelites were also so thick that they too practiced cruel pagan rituals, and that's when the baby loving God would allow them to be taken captive by the surrounding nations.
What happens to the innocent children which died under these "abominations" ?
They will be resurrected and have a safe place in heaven, when the time comes. Angels and human families will adopt them and raise them.
But this is not directly mentioned in the Bible, because it is one of the teachings of those who practice sacrificing babies (even today) that the (murdered) child is saved by the ritual, and goes to heaven. Despite that hideous excuse, they hurt the baby, raping it, cutting off its limbs, peeling back its skin while alive and burning it, etc.
The specific organisations which have been doing this for centuries, and still do so today in secret, (over 60,000 every year in the US) are headed by the Vatican, which hides under the cloak of 'Christianity' through the Roman Catholic church system, which is subdivided into many secret societies, as well as major organisations world wide, including Freemasons, business giants and the world banks. All religion and all politics are infested by the same system.
There are millions of well meaning people in religious and political institutions who will be made aware of this, and they will be given a special sign and opportunity to stand up against this, as they already are doing, as the corruptions of the highest orders are being exposed.
Child sexual abuse cases are only the tip of the iceberg. These are the ones who lived to tell.
Then we might like to ask the question, if a whole society is full of abusers, and there is not one righteous, does God have to right to drown them by billions, as in Noah's day?
(November 30, 2017 at 6:59 am)Starhunter Wrote: Do you have any proof of that, such as actual texts which say that, or are you just venting?
Um.......? That does appear to be you, up above, attempting to justify exactly what you're now asking for "proof" of. You seem to be aware, at least, that the text requires some splainering....which makes your sudden ignorance of their existence more than a little bit perplexing.
I am the Infantry. I am my country’s strength in war, her deterrent in peace. I am the heart of the fight… wherever, whenever. I carry America’s faith and honor against her enemies. I am the Queen of Battle. I am what my country expects me to be, the best trained Soldier in the world. In the race for victory, I am swift, determined, and courageous, armed with a fierce will to win. Never will I fail my country’s trust. Always I fight on…through the foe, to the objective, to triumph overall. If necessary, I will fight to my death. By my steadfast courage, I have won more than 200 years of freedom. I yield not to weakness, to hunger, to cowardice, to fatigue, to superior odds, For I am mentally tough, physically strong, and morally straight. I forsake not, my country, my mission, my comrades, my sacred duty. I am relentless. I am always there, now and forever. I AM THE INFANTRY! FOLLOW ME!