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RE: Men's Rights Movement
December 21, 2017 at 6:03 pm
(December 21, 2017 at 5:55 pm)Divinity Wrote: Actually I'd say that the vast majority of MRA's are anti-woman. And that's a problem. Not just for women, but for men. Because these are the people representing their issues. And those people aren't even focusing on their fucking issues. And in fact those MRA's are actually part of the problem. They talk about shit like how men are being 'feminized' as if men should be defined specifically by how masculine they are. They want to reinforce the gender stereotypes that we've always had. They mistreat men in ways that is disgusting. Especially gay men.
What are you basing this on exactly?
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RE: Men's Rights Movement
December 21, 2017 at 6:17 pm
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To CL:
Male privilege doesnt mean all men are going to enjoy advantages that women dont get to have, but it does mean that men are likely to work less to get a good job than women or that men get to exercise more power and get away with things that women would be quickly condemned for, and so on. By the way, it also doesnt mean that men wont experience disadvantages because of male privilege. Reading alpha_males post makes it clear that so long as men adhere to sexist standards of what constitutes a man, theyll relatively do fine in life, especially if they happen to be white. Because tradition looks very favorably on such men.
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RE: Men's Rights Movement
December 21, 2017 at 6:17 pm
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RE: Men's Rights Movement
December 21, 2017 at 6:23 pm
(This post was last modified: December 21, 2017 at 6:26 pm by GrandizerII.)
(December 21, 2017 at 6:17 pm)Grandizer Wrote: To CL:
Male privilege doesnt mean all men are going to enjoy advantages that women dont get to have, but it does mean that men are likely to work less to get a good job than women or that men get to exercise more power and get away with things that women would be quickly condemned for, and so on. By the way, it also doesnt mean that men wont experience disadvantages because of male privilege. Reading alpha_males post makes it clear that so long as men adhere to sexist standards of what constitutes a man, theyll relatively do fine in life, especially if they happen to be white. Because tradition looks very favorably on such men.
Also that you got a full tuition because you are a woman of certain race/ethnicity is because it wouldve likely been harder for you to get into that college because of your gender/race
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RE: Men's Rights Movement
December 21, 2017 at 6:25 pm
(December 21, 2017 at 6:23 pm)Grandizer Wrote: (December 21, 2017 at 6:17 pm)Grandizer Wrote: To CL:
Male privilege doesnt mean all men are going to enjoy advantages that women dont get to have, but it does mean that men are likely to work less to get a good job than women or that men get to exercise more power and get away with things that women would be quickly condemned for, and so on. By the way, it also doesnt mean that men wont experience disadvantages because of male privilege. Reading alpha_males post makes it clear that so long as men adhere to sexist standards of what constitutes a man, theyll relatively do fine in life, especially if they happen to be white. Because tradition looks very favorably on such men.
Also that you got a full tuition because you are a woman of certain race/ethnicity is because it wouldve likely been harder for you otherwise.
Why would it be harder for me otherwise?
"Of course, everyone will claim they respect someone who tries to speak the truth, but in reality, this is a rare quality. Most respect those who speak truths they agree with, and their respect for the speaking only extends as far as their realm of personal agreement. It is less common, almost to the point of becoming a saintly virtue, that someone truly respects and loves the truth seeker, even when their conclusions differ wildly."
-walsh
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RE: Men's Rights Movement
December 21, 2017 at 6:31 pm
(December 21, 2017 at 6:25 pm)Catholic_Lady Wrote: (December 21, 2017 at 6:23 pm)Grandizer Wrote: Also that you got a full tuition because you are a woman of certain race/ethnicity is because it wouldve likely been harder for you otherwise.
Why would it be harder for me otherwise?
Edited above. Why was such assistance given to only women in your view?
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RE: Men's Rights Movement
December 21, 2017 at 6:47 pm
(December 21, 2017 at 2:55 pm)Catholic_Lady Wrote: No true Scotsman
(December 21, 2017 at 3:23 pm)vulcanlogician Wrote: I agree with CL. Hammy committed a no true scotsman fallacy. Extreme feminists aren't "feminists"... they're feminists. The fact that they are extreme doesn't exclude them from feminism.
(December 21, 2017 at 4:10 pm)Hammy Wrote: I knew that was coming and I'm too tired of explaining what the fallacy actually is.
I feel the need to set the record straight. CL, you and I both incorrectly accused Hammy of the no true scotsman fallacy. Hammy, you were right, we were wrong. And we were wrong because you differentiated true feminism from what you consider false feminism in your statement. That's not the no true scotsman fallacy. If Hammy had said "Feminism is X" and then we criticized an aspect of X, and then he said that the particular criticism didn't apply because that particular aspect of X is not true feminism, then he WOULD have been committing the fallacy. But what he was doing was simply differentiating true feminism from false feminism, and while he might still have been erroneous in his assertions, his logic was sound. Sorry, Hammy.
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RE: Men's Rights Movement
December 21, 2017 at 6:48 pm
(December 21, 2017 at 2:37 pm)Catholic_Lady Wrote: Holy crap this thread has really turned to shit.
I wasn't trying to argue FOR mra's, just saying the documentary showed me they make some valid points that I hadn't before considered. No one here is arguing for mra's.
I hope you get nothing but good shit for Christmas.
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RE: Men's Rights Movement
December 21, 2017 at 6:49 pm
(December 21, 2017 at 6:31 pm)Grandizer Wrote: (December 21, 2017 at 6:25 pm)Catholic_Lady Wrote: Why would it be harder for me otherwise?
Edited above. Why was such assistance given to only women in your view?
I have no idea. My husband certainly worked much harder than I did, did better, and got nothing.
"Of course, everyone will claim they respect someone who tries to speak the truth, but in reality, this is a rare quality. Most respect those who speak truths they agree with, and their respect for the speaking only extends as far as their realm of personal agreement. It is less common, almost to the point of becoming a saintly virtue, that someone truly respects and loves the truth seeker, even when their conclusions differ wildly."
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RE: Men's Rights Movement
December 21, 2017 at 6:50 pm
(December 21, 2017 at 6:25 pm)Catholic_Lady Wrote: (December 21, 2017 at 6:23 pm)Grandizer Wrote: Also that you got a full tuition because you are a woman of certain race/ethnicity is because it wouldve likely been harder for you otherwise.
Why would it be harder for me otherwise?
Perhaps because of all your dainty cuteness? I dunno.
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