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RE: Evolution
December 22, 2017 at 12:48 pm
(December 21, 2017 at 11:27 pm)Haipule Wrote: The main problem I have with "evolution" is the word itself! As far as I know, that word came from a Christian named Darwin.
You just say that word and people put on their boxing gloves ready for a fight! Which is completely stupid!
We need a better word. That word has out lived it's usefulness and needs to evolve!
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He was a one time Christian but stopped.
here are snippets from his autobiography.
"During these two years I was led to think much about religion. Whilst on board the Beagle I was quite orthodox, & I remember being heartily laughed at by several of the officers (though themselves orthodox) for quoting the Bible as an unanswerable authority on some point of morality. I suppose it was the novelty of the argument that amused them. But I had gradually come, by this time, to see that the Old Testament from its manifestly false history of the world, with the Tower of Babel, rainbow as a sign, etc., etc., and from its attributing to God the feelings of a revengeful tyrant, was no more to be trusted than the sacred books of the Hindoos, or the beliefs of any barbarian."[
"the more we know of the fixed laws of nature the more incredible do miracles become". Though "very unwilling to give up my belief", he found that "disbelief crept over me at a very slow rate, but was at last complete. The rate was so slow that I felt no distress, and have never since doubted even for a single second that my conclusion was correct."
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RE: Evolution
December 22, 2017 at 2:57 pm
(December 21, 2017 at 11:27 pm)Haipule Wrote: The main problem I have with "evolution" is the word itself! As far as I know, that word came from a Christian named Darwin.
You just say that word and people put on their boxing gloves ready for a fight! Which is completely stupid!
We need a better word. That word has out lived it's usefulness and needs to evolve!
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Just say "change through time", but be ready to be disappointed with that one too, the christers don't mind knew-jerking at anything.
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RE: Evolution
December 24, 2017 at 9:02 pm
K'den: some pointed to "natural selection". Alrighty then: does the Hammer Head shark prove "natural selection" or, does it disprove it?
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RE: Evolution
December 25, 2017 at 1:24 pm
(December 24, 2017 at 9:02 pm)Haipule Wrote: K'den: some pointed to "natural selection". Alrighty then: does the Hammer Head shark prove "natural selection" or, does it disprove it?
I would require much more information to answer that in full on but as the hammer head shark is the result of evolution I would say that it was a case for.
https://www.livescience.com/6478-hammerh...olved.html
" Now, hammerhead sharks have had their first eye examination, and it has laid the debate to rest. Sharks with wider heads have better binocular vision – all the better to track fast-moving prey like squid with far more accuracy than sharks with close-set eyes.
The research also shows that hammerheads – among other sharks – have a 360-degree view of the world in the vertical plane, allowing them to simultaneously see prey above and below them.!"
https://www.newscientist.com/article/dn1...ts-hammer/
Yep, definitely pro evolution.
What was your point?
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RE: Evolution
December 25, 2017 at 4:07 pm
Hey Haipule, merry Christian btw, do you think there is such a thing as unnatural selection?
The hammerhead was a mutated shark. The mutation just happened to be beneficial, hence it's survival.
But I've always wondered how they can possibly find each other attractive enough to mate without alcohol?
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RE: Evolution
December 25, 2017 at 4:21 pm
(December 24, 2017 at 9:02 pm)Haipule Wrote: K'den: some pointed to "natural selection". Alrighty then: does the Hammer Head shark prove "natural selection" or, does it disprove it?
Yes.
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RE: Evolution
December 25, 2017 at 4:22 pm
(December 25, 2017 at 4:07 pm)ignoramus Wrote: The hammerhead was a mutated shark. The mutation just happened to be beneficial, hence it's survival.
But I've always wondered how they can possibly find each other attractive enough to mate without alcohol?
They have hammers.
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RE: Evolution
December 25, 2017 at 4:22 pm
(This post was last modified: December 25, 2017 at 4:23 pm by vulcanlogician.)
Artificial selection is a thing. Farmers/dog breeders been at it for years
Edit: @ ignoramus
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RE: Evolution
December 25, 2017 at 4:48 pm
(December 25, 2017 at 1:24 pm)downbeatplumb Wrote: (December 24, 2017 at 9:02 pm)Haipule Wrote: K'den: some pointed to "natural selection". Alrighty then: does the Hammer Head shark prove "natural selection" or, does it disprove it?
I would require much more information to answer that in full on but as the hammer head shark is the result of evolution I would say that it was a case for.
https://www.livescience.com/6478-hammerh...olved.html
"Now, hammerhead sharks have had their first eye examination, and it has laid the debate to rest. Sharks with wider heads have better binocular vision – all the better to track fast-moving prey like squid with far more accuracy than sharks with close-set eyes.
The research also shows that hammerheads – among other sharks – have a 360-degree view of the world in the vertical plane, allowing them to simultaneously see prey above and below them.!"
https://www.newscientist.com/article/dn1...ts-hammer/
Yep, definitely pro evolution.
What was your point?
The only thing the hammer head shark proves is that evolution is smarter then us.
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RE: Evolution
December 25, 2017 at 4:49 pm
(December 25, 2017 at 4:22 pm)vulcanlogician Wrote: Artificial selection is a thing. Farmers/dog breeders been at it for years
Edit: @ ignoramus
I suppose that is unnatural selection, but how do we know that those 2 dogs wouldn't have had sex anyway naturally?
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