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The memo's out
RE: The memo's out
(February 4, 2018 at 7:40 am)mh.brewer Wrote:
(February 3, 2018 at 10:08 pm)Neo-Scholastic Wrote: Can we all agree that the bar for getting a FISA warrant is way, way too low and apparently easily manipulated? In the abstract this isn't about partisan politics but rather the degree to which we are willing to give up our rights to privacy and allowing surveillance of American citizens that pose negligible national security risks.

How do you know it's to low? What is an acceptable security risk?

Because they are approved 99 percent of the time. That's basically a rubber stamp. No one gets anything right 99 percent of the time.
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RE: The memo's out
(February 6, 2018 at 10:08 am)Neo-Scholastic Wrote:
(February 4, 2018 at 7:40 am)mh.brewer Wrote: How do you know it's to low? What is an acceptable security risk?

Because they are approved 99 percent of the time. That's basically a rubber stamp. No one gets anything right 99 percent of the time.

How do you know it's a rubber stamp? A 99% accuracy rate occurs often.

http://www.newsweek.com/how-get-fisa-warrant-797323
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RE: The memo's out
(February 6, 2018 at 9:58 am)Khemikal Wrote:
(February 6, 2018 at 9:42 am)A Theist Wrote: 2. Yes. The dossier is a collection of claims but what are those claims corroborated with? 
Nothing that Devin Nunes ever read or had access to.......and in this way they're exactly like the subject of his memo. Rolleyes
Trey Gowdy did and he helped pen the memo.
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RE: The memo's out
Shhhh, you're not supposed to say that out loud - he fully supports™ the investigation and Bob Mueller and says the memo doesn't impact that at all.  I wonder why he's "you're fired"ing himself?  

Oh, that's right, he went on the teevees and explained it, he's a shitty politician because he's just not partisan enough.  Trey Gowdy (R-Benghazi)....principled non-partisan observer. Rolleyes

He'll land softly, though. The guys a shoe-in for the wingnut welfare circle.
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RE: The memo's out
Quote:Because they are approved 99 percent of the time. That's basically a rubber stamp. No one gets anything right 99 percent of the time.
That is the dumbest reasoning since 


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RE: The memo's out
(February 6, 2018 at 10:29 am)Khemikal Wrote: Shhhh, you're not supposed to say that out loud - he fully supports™ the investigation and Bob Mueller and says the memo doesn't impact that at all.  I wonder why he's "you're fired"ing himself?  

Oh, that's right, he went on the teevees and explained it, he's a shitty politician because he's just not partisan enough.  Rolleyes

What constitutes a good politician then? The Uber partisan types like Adam Schiff, the only other person from the Intel committee who read the FISA warrants? 😌
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Quote:It was an awful mistake to characterize based upon religion. I should not judge any theist that way, I must remember what I said in order to change.
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RE: The memo's out
IDK, I guess we can only bow to the expertise of Mr. Gowdy, he seems to have an idea...and on the off chance we can;t really maintain that our guy isn;t a complete shitheel, we'll have to settle for everybody else being just as bad.

It's something for you to work out with the dems though, isn't it, none of my business.

On a broader note, the immediate "whatabout an adam schiff, huh!" pretty much destroys any pretense of this being an issue of your interest in fisa courts or abuse of law..though, doesn't it? You have an axe to grind with whomever you think the liberals are, and are terrified that this investigation will end exactly as you know it will(as we all know it will, as it always would have)....and you're willing to sell out the US of A to grind it. Good for you...I can almost hear the anthem drifting through the morning air.
I am the Infantry. I am my country’s strength in war, her deterrent in peace. I am the heart of the fight… wherever, whenever. I carry America’s faith and honor against her enemies. I am the Queen of Battle. I am what my country expects me to be, the best trained Soldier in the world. In the race for victory, I am swift, determined, and courageous, armed with a fierce will to win. Never will I fail my country’s trust. Always I fight on…through the foe, to the objective, to triumph overall. If necessary, I will fight to my death. By my steadfast courage, I have won more than 200 years of freedom. I yield not to weakness, to hunger, to cowardice, to fatigue, to superior odds, For I am mentally tough, physically strong, and morally straight. I forsake not, my country, my mission, my comrades, my sacred duty. I am relentless. I am always there, now and forever. I AM THE INFANTRY! FOLLOW ME!
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RE: The memo's out
(February 6, 2018 at 10:41 am)Khemikal Wrote: IDK, I guess we can only bow to the expertise of Mr. Gowdy, he seems to have an idea...and on the off chance we can;t really maintain that our guy isn;t a complete shitheel, we'll have to settle for everybody else being just as bad.

It's something for you to work out with the dems though, isn't it, none of my business.

On a broader note, the immediate "whatabout an adam schiff, huh!" pretty much destroys any pretense of this being an issue of your interest in fisa courts or abuse of law..though, doesn't it? You have an axe to grind with whomever you think the liberals are, and are terrified that this investigation will end exactly as you know it will(as we all know it will, as it always would have)....and you're willing to sell out the US of A to grind it. Good for you...I can almost hear the anthem drifting through the morning air.
Yeah, on the broader note I bet you harbor those very sentiments toward conservatives. It's not that you're so much concerned with justice or the law as long as it only comes down against the GOP. Your biggest fear is that Mueller's investigation will either fall apart or that POTUS Trump will be exonerated from charges of colluding with Russia.

And I can almost see you taking a knee as the National Anthem drifts through the morning air.
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Quote: JohnDG...
Quote:It was an awful mistake to characterize based upon religion. I should not judge any theist that way, I must remember what I said in order to change.
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RE: The memo's out
You're still airing your grievances about the dems, and now..apparently, black people, to me...of all people...lol. The only knee I take for america is a firing position, and I'm as white as the driven snow.

What would it take for you to put country over party affiliation? I think we both know that the swamp is incapable..but I assume that deep down, somewhere, you know this shit is theater just as much as I do. I can understand why the traitor caucus does what they do..but I can;t...for the life of me, understand why my fellow americans™ play along.

Hell, if that's too much..what would it take for you to put party affiliation over loyalty to trump or your grievance with dems? You can't really believe that what's happening now is good for the GOP?
I am the Infantry. I am my country’s strength in war, her deterrent in peace. I am the heart of the fight… wherever, whenever. I carry America’s faith and honor against her enemies. I am the Queen of Battle. I am what my country expects me to be, the best trained Soldier in the world. In the race for victory, I am swift, determined, and courageous, armed with a fierce will to win. Never will I fail my country’s trust. Always I fight on…through the foe, to the objective, to triumph overall. If necessary, I will fight to my death. By my steadfast courage, I have won more than 200 years of freedom. I yield not to weakness, to hunger, to cowardice, to fatigue, to superior odds, For I am mentally tough, physically strong, and morally straight. I forsake not, my country, my mission, my comrades, my sacred duty. I am relentless. I am always there, now and forever. I AM THE INFANTRY! FOLLOW ME!
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RE: The memo's out
(February 6, 2018 at 10:17 am)mh.brewer Wrote:
(February 6, 2018 at 10:08 am)Neo-Scholastic Wrote: Because they are approved 99 percent of the time. That's basically a rubber stamp. No one gets anything right 99 percent of the time.

How do you know it's a rubber stamp? A 99% accuracy rate occurs often.

http://www.newsweek.com/how-get-fisa-warrant-797323

FISA courts are supposed to be held to a higher burden. It should be harder to get a FISA warrant than one in federal court. Apparently not.

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