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RE: Grade school girls can't say No when asked to dance
February 11, 2018 at 6:25 pm
(February 11, 2018 at 4:58 pm)Catholic_Lady Wrote: I can kinda see both sides, to be honest. The dance is voluntary. If you don't feel comfortable with the rules, don't go to the dance.
Ahhh ... "conform or be cast out."
Aside from the idea that they're teaching kids that even their own body is not their own to run as they see fit, they're also teaching kids that obedience is paramount.
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RE: Grade school girls can't say No when asked to dance
February 11, 2018 at 6:33 pm
See, here is where omniscience would really be handy.
Do we get more or fewer incipient Ed Geins if they can't say no at the 6th grade dance ??
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RE: Grade school girls can't say No when asked to dance
February 11, 2018 at 6:53 pm
(February 11, 2018 at 6:25 pm)Thumpalumpacus Wrote: (February 11, 2018 at 4:58 pm)Catholic_Lady Wrote: I can kinda see both sides, to be honest. The dance is voluntary. If you don't feel comfortable with the rules, don't go to the dance.
Ahhh ... "conform or be cast out."
Aside from the idea that they're teaching kids that even their own body is not their own to run as they see fit, they're also teaching kids that obedience is paramount.
Learning how to deal with rejection is part of growing up. Those are poor values too teach children indeed .
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RE: Grade school girls can't say No when asked to dance
February 11, 2018 at 7:05 pm
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(February 11, 2018 at 6:53 pm)Tizheruk Wrote: (February 11, 2018 at 6:25 pm)Thumpalumpacus Wrote: Ahhh ... "conform or be cast out."
Aside from the idea that they're teaching kids that even their own body is not their own to run as they see fit, they're also teaching kids that obedience is paramount.
Learning how to deal with rejection is part of growing up. Those are poor values too teach children indeed . I suspect obedience being paramount is a big part of why it ended up happening.
But still, not learning how to deal with rejection... in the immortal words of Spanky Ham, nothing can possibly go wrong!
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RE: Grade school girls can't say No when asked to dance
February 11, 2018 at 8:54 pm
(February 11, 2018 at 5:11 pm)BrianSoddingBoru4 Wrote: My, how times have changed. I've asked a lot of women to dance, and many of them gave a 'no' that was, to say the least, enthusiastic.
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Talking about this thread, I brought up how I'd said one time that nine times out of ten, asking a gal for a date or a dance or a cup of coffee, I've heard "no". Learning that early taught me how to deal with it, so that I didn't join the incel #metoo brigade.
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RE: Grade school girls can't say No when asked to dance
February 11, 2018 at 9:48 pm
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(February 11, 2018 at 4:58 pm)Catholic_Lady Wrote: The title is a bit misleading. No one can say no unless there is a legitimate issue. Not just girls to boys.
I can kinda see both sides, to be honest. The dance is voluntary. If you don't feel comfortable with the rules, don't go to the dance.
I don’t agree that young kids should have to miss their school dance simply because they don’t want to be forced to slow dance with a person who they may not even want to touch. Aren’t we supposed to be teaching our kids bodily autonomy? Hell, my kid is three and a half and we’ve already had the, “this is your bubble of personal space.” talk.
I don’t think, “you should let someone touch you even if you don’t want them to, because it’s the polite thing to do.” is the right message to be sending our youth.
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RE: Grade school girls can't say No when asked to dance
February 11, 2018 at 10:24 pm
Have you ever tried to stop a hugger? As an adult or a child?
A back patter?
A shake with one hand and grab your arm/hug with the other?
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RE: Grade school girls can't say No when asked to dance
February 11, 2018 at 11:04 pm
(February 11, 2018 at 10:24 pm)mh.brewer Wrote: Have you ever tried to stop a hugger? As an adult or a child?
A back patter?
A shake with one hand and grab your arm/hug with the other?
A lot of that is cultural. I don't want anyone giving me a bear hug, except the wife at the point of orgasm.
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RE: Grade school girls can't say No when asked to dance
February 11, 2018 at 11:15 pm
(February 11, 2018 at 10:24 pm)mh.brewer Wrote: Have you ever tried to stop a hugger? As an adult or a child?
A back patter?
A shake with one hand and grab your arm/hug with the other?
Yes, because I'm a knee-to-the-groiner.
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RE: Grade school girls can't say No when asked to dance
February 12, 2018 at 12:52 am
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(February 11, 2018 at 10:24 pm)mh.brewer Wrote: Have you ever tried to stop a hugger? As an adult or a child?
A back patter?
A shake with one hand and grab your arm/hug with the other?
This is silly. As a child, I can only think of instances where it was an adult who did the hugging/patting, and it was uncomfortable, but you don’t say anything because it’s hard to verbalize. As an adult...I’m an adult, so I can make an adult decision whether or not I’m going to allow a person to touch me. It’s up to me if I’m going to endure an unwanted touch. It’s my decision. No one is forcing me or threatening me with consequences.
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