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RE: There Is No Sin!
March 22, 2018 at 7:24 am
(March 21, 2018 at 7:41 am)chimp3 Wrote: (March 21, 2018 at 6:44 am)Banned Wrote: In the absence of these, who or what determines what crime is? Humans created gods and their laws. We create laws and determine what crime is. We always have. IMHO, We just do not have sky fairies to embellish our laws and law givers with extra authority. One crime is called fraud. The creators of the concept of sin committed fraud and are guilty of this crime.
I hold the humans perpetuating these lies accountable today. In the court of public opinion, that is.
You are talking about a system of law which you agree to, but what about other systems of law?
What about the changes to our own systems - more draconian every year?
How many innocent and relatively innocent people are in your (US) jails?
How many governments in the world aren't corrupt?
Are you speaking for yourself or the whole country and world?
Or do you have a trust in world authorities?
Are you aware of the atrocities committed by all the governments of the world?
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RE: There Is No Sin!
March 22, 2018 at 7:36 am
(March 22, 2018 at 7:24 am)Banned Wrote: (March 21, 2018 at 7:41 am)chimp3 Wrote: Humans created gods and their laws. We create laws and determine what crime is. We always have. IMHO, We just do not have sky fairies to embellish our laws and law givers with extra authority. One crime is called fraud. The creators of the concept of sin committed fraud and are guilty of this crime.
I hold the humans perpetuating these lies accountable today. In the court of public opinion, that is.
You are talking about a system of law which you agree to, but what about other systems of law?
What about the changes to our own systems - more draconian every year?
How many innocent and relatively innocent people are in your (US) jails?
How many governments in the world aren't corrupt?
Are you speaking for yourself or the whole country and world?
Or do you have a trust in world authorities?
Are you aware of the atrocities committed by all the governments of the world?
I am aware of humans treating humans badly. We are alone on this planet. There are no gods to help us. All we can do is struggle and argue for the best world possible.
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RE: There Is No Sin!
March 22, 2018 at 7:40 am
(March 22, 2018 at 7:24 am)Banned Wrote: You are talking about a system of law which you agree to, but what about other systems of law?
What about the changes to our own systems - more draconian every year?
How many innocent and relatively innocent people are in your (US) jails?
How many governments in the world aren't corrupt?
Are you speaking for yourself or the whole country and world?
Or do you have a trust in world authorities?
Are you aware of the atrocities committed by all the governments of the world?
The majority of people claim to be religious, yet they still do immoral things. Clearly, adherence to a religious belief has not impacted them. Clearly, religion has not fixed the problem of immorality whatsoever.
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RE: There Is No Sin!
March 22, 2018 at 7:48 am
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(March 22, 2018 at 7:36 am)chimp3 Wrote: I am aware of humans treating humans badly. We are alone on this planet. There are no gods to help us. All we can do is struggle and argue for the best world possible.
If the past is any indication of the future...we know what to expect - an ideal, war and an end of it.
(March 22, 2018 at 7:40 am)Lutrinae Wrote: The majority of people claim to be religious, yet they still do immoral things. Clearly, adherence to a religious belief has not impacted them. Clearly, religion has not fixed the problem of immorality whatsoever.
Hypocrisy and corruption doesn't necessarily make the law bad does it?
Whether that law is religious or not.
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RE: There Is No Sin!
March 22, 2018 at 9:33 am
Khemikal Wrote:Something tells me that a mountain is still there when I'm not looking at it, and regardless of whether or not I had ever seen a mountain or had a concept of a mountain.
True. Yet, you still have a concept of a mountain. According to DC, upon actually seeing a mountain, you no longer have a concept of a mountain.
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RE: There Is No Sin!
March 22, 2018 at 9:37 am
Mountains give a shit about how things are according to gc exactly as much as I do. 
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RE: There Is No Sin!
March 22, 2018 at 6:33 pm
(March 22, 2018 at 7:48 am)Banned Wrote: (March 22, 2018 at 7:36 am)chimp3 Wrote: I am aware of humans treating humans badly. We are alone on this planet. There are no gods to help us. All we can do is struggle and argue for the best world possible.
If the past is any indication of the future...we know what to expect - an ideal, war and an end of it. Isn't that the final chapter of your bloody bible?
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RE: There Is No Sin!
March 22, 2018 at 6:36 pm
The greatest trick the church ever pulled was convincing the masses that sin was real.
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RE: There Is No Sin!
March 23, 2018 at 1:27 am
(March 21, 2018 at 9:51 am)Mister Agenda Wrote: Godscreated Wrote:That's not even close to reality, a rock can't be a concept because it existed before man, man neither conceptualized a rock nor made one, you might say God did though.
GC
OK, let's try again: your concept of a rock is how you know a rock is a rock. Without having a concept of a rock, you wouldn't know what one is. It's how you can tell a rock you've never seen before is a rock. Because you know what a rock is. You have a concept of what a rock is. If you see an object that doesn't fit that concept, you conclude it is not a rock.
Okay let's try this again, concept by definition is not actual knowledge. In your little picture here you have missed something very important, what if my concept of a rock is wrong, concepts are not taught. So my concept of a rock is wrong and I call a tree a rock and your concept of a rock is correct and you call a rock a rock, how to you explain to me that my concept is not correct being that a concept is not actual knowledge.
GC
God loves those who believe and those who do not and the same goes for me, you have no choice in this matter. That puts the matter of total free will to rest.
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RE: There Is No Sin!
March 23, 2018 at 6:24 am
(March 22, 2018 at 6:33 pm)chimp3 Wrote: (March 22, 2018 at 7:48 am)Banned Wrote: If the past is any indication of the future...we know what to expect - an ideal, war and an end of it. Isn't that the final chapter of your bloody bible?
It's the whole book over and over.
But I wanted to ask you - why is it so important for us to all get along and work it out, when we only get a few decades on earth?
Nobody remembers societies in the past that achieved it, or tried to, they're dead, gone, forgotten...
so why is your generation or the next any different?
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