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Jesus : The Early years
March 21, 2018 at 6:43 pm
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Much is debated about the authenticity and authorship of the Gospels. For the sake of this argument, let's assume some accuracy in their telling of Jesus's adult ministry. We do not have to argue about eyewitnesses, miracles, resurrections, or ascensions. Let's argue about the life of Jesus before the age of twelve. How did the writers gather this "historical" data?
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RE: Jesus : The Early years
March 21, 2018 at 7:13 pm
Same source of bullshit as his adult ministry, no doubt.
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RE: Jesus : The Early years
March 21, 2018 at 7:23 pm
You mean things like how they might have known about a census or that three wise men followed a star? Or that he was a smart kid? That his dad was a carpenter?
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RE: Jesus : The Early years
March 21, 2018 at 7:25 pm
12 to 33, the missing years.
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RE: Jesus : The Early years
March 21, 2018 at 7:28 pm
I thought he wanted 0-12. The missing years aren't in the new testament so theres nothing to ask about what the writers knew or how they knew it.
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RE: Jesus : The Early years
March 21, 2018 at 7:29 pm
(March 21, 2018 at 7:28 pm)Khemikal Wrote: I thought he wanted 0-12. The missing years aren't in the new testament so theres nothing to ask about what the writers knew or how they knew it.
Correct! I am looking for 0-12.
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RE: Jesus : The Early years
March 21, 2018 at 7:32 pm
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I suppose..if we're ignoring all the legend and establishment myth.....we could say that the writers could know of a census the same way we do. They either had historical data or a memory of it. Pretty much any incidental can be explained this way.
My particular favorites..though..are places where an author imparts some detail about the time of their writing the story that was not true of the time in which the story is supposed to have taken place. So..that might show that they at least tried to verify the story by reference to then present conditions. They went to a place, for example..and said "Yup, there's a city here so that story is legit" - when..at the time of the story, there wasn't.
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RE: Jesus : The Early years
March 21, 2018 at 7:35 pm
(March 21, 2018 at 7:25 pm)Gawdzilla Sama Wrote: 12 to 33, the missing years.
John Prine provides a history of the missing years:
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RE: Jesus : The Early years
March 21, 2018 at 7:39 pm
In "The Jesus Puzzle" Earl Doherty notes this stance of many biblical scholars.
Quote:In their fervor and distress following the crucifixion, the followers of Jesus scrambled to understand
what had just happened, to interpret the meaning of their Master’s life, to put a name to his role
in God’s plan. They ran to their bibles and began to apply all manner of scriptural passages to
him, especially those looked upon as messianic by the Jewish thinking of the time.
How quaint. Except it ignores the fact that according to those same silly gospels these disciples were a bunch of illiterate, Aramaic-speaking, dumbasses who not only would have had no chance for reading.comprehending actual Hebrew scriptures but then somehow they managed to turn that into highly literate Greek gospels. Dismissing the asinine jesus-freak claim of "miracles" which they always manage to trot out, none of this makes any sense at all.
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RE: Jesus : The Early years
March 21, 2018 at 7:42 pm
The angel Gabriel visited them in a cave.
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