Islamic schools in Britain teach anti-Semitism

[Skipper]

You say it is better for them to be killed than to burn in hell. Even with a nice smiley at the end of your sentence discussing why your fellow Muslims may kill people who disagree with them.

I was defending it but I don't support it either (i.e death punishments for apostasy), nor do I hate it, because the punishments in Hell could be even more dangerous than that.

You don't hate (and even defend) something that ends someone else's life for the simple fact they don't believe the same thing you do? Why bother killing them at all? If they have turned there back on Islam it means they likely no longer believe in a hell themselves, so what gives you the right to save them (by killing them?!?!?) from something they don't believe in. Fucking backwards thinking.

Also, why didn't the journalists ask anything to the students? Why didn't the program show a single comment from any of the students, as a witness, to prove that they were actually being taught to cut off the hands of criminals? The journalists were only talking to people with beautiful beards on their face, but they didn't interview any of the students. What's the reason for that?

Maybe because the penalty for apostasy is death?

[tackattack]

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-11808658

The one true religion, Islam on show again displaying it's tolerance.

Fucking plague.

Let's not forget Islam's antisemitism streak pales compared to those of christianity.

Actually our Christian Church is having Sunday services in a Messianic Jewish temple and I like going to their Saturday services... epic fail here

[Anomalocaris]

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-11808658

The one true religion, Islam on show again displaying it's tolerance.

Fucking plague.

Let's not forget Islam's antisemitism streak pales compared to those of christianity.

Actually our Christian Church is having Sunday services in a Messianic Jewish temple and I like going to their Saturday services... epic fail here

And your sect is no doubt so special in the eyes of your man-god that a little few well meaning deeds by its members on weekends wipes out the effects of 2000 years of mainstream Christian Jew baiting and put all of cristianity back onto a nice, fuzzy, warm keel of reasonableness and tolerance towards the rejection of its man-god.

[Thor]

I don't think it's possible to exaggerate the horrors of 9/11, suicide bombings or beheading innocent people, videotaping it and putting it on the internet.

These are some of the things which create a misunderstanding of Islam in the minds of Muslims and non-Muslims. But the truth is that terrorism, suicide bombing, and flying airplanes into a building, and all the people who do those stupid things, do NOT represent Islam.

They don't? Then why do so many Muslim clerics, Imams and elders support these horrible acts? Why don't we hear moderate Muslims condemning these terrorist activities which are carried out in the name of their religion? People like you want to tell us that the terrorists do NOT represent Islam, but you do nothing to speak out against them. Where are the Muslim leaders publicly condemning the terrorists? Not only that, but I recall seeing news footage of people in Muslim countries dancing in the streets on 9/11. "Terrorist bastards killed thousands of innocent people and destroyed two iconic buildings! Woo Hoo! Let's party!"

Warped fucks.

These acts of violence are contradictory to the teachings of Islam.

The terrorists and their legions of supporters obviously disagree with you.

There is nothing in the Quran that tells us to strap ourselves with bombs and kill innocent cilivians.

And yet, the screwballs who do this think they'll be rewarded after they kill themselves.

All the extremist groups think that this is what is meant by Jihad according to the Quran, but this is a serious misunderstanding because a Jihad is only permissible when we are being threatened or attacked by the enemies of Islam and when we have to defend ourselves.

And, again, where are the Muslim leaders publicly telling the terrorists that they are acting contrary to the Koran?

I was defending it but I don't support it either (i.e death punishments for apostasy), nor do I hate it, because the punishments in Hell could be even more dangerous than that.

And the Great JuJu says I should kill all who don't believe in him, because by doing so I am actually saving them! By killing unbelievers they are paying their pennance now and the Great JuJu will then allow these people to spend eternity in the Gumdrop Village next to the Candy Cane Forest! But if I don't kill them, they are condemned as unpunished unbelievers and must spend eternity working in the mines on Rock Candy Mountain! So, you see, if I kill you, I'm HELPING you!

And this makes as much sense as your nonsensical "Hell could even be more dangerous than that."

[tackattack]

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http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-11808658

The one true religion, Islam on show again displaying it's tolerance.

Fucking plague.

Let's not forget Islam's antisemitism streak pales compared to those of christianity.

Actually our Christian Church is having Sunday services in a Messianic Jewish temple and I like going to their Saturday services... epic fail here

And your sect is no doubt so special in the eyes of your man-god that a little few well meaning deeds by its members on weekends wipes out the effects of 2000 years of mainstream Christian Jew baiting and put all of cristianity back onto a nice, fuzzy, warm keel of reasonableness and tolerance towards the rejection of its man-god.

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I'm non-denominational chuck. That means yes we are trying to "put all of Christianity back onto a nice, fuzzy, warm keel of reasonableness and tolerance" we reject doctrinal boundaries and have a whole Bible approach and focus on unity not separation of beliefs along human lines. Nothing wipes out 2000 years of suffering (read forgiveness), but forgiveness is not forgetting grievances, but appreciating the person/goal more than the offense. We do well meaning deeds all the time, we just come together and talk about them 1-3 times a week. None of that really matters because you still haven't supported your bare assertion/generalization.

[Skipper]

http://vimeo.com/16779150

How about all that then Rayaan? More mis-interpretations no doubt?

You claim it's a peaceful religion, yet video after video and investigation after investigation points towards larger and larger sectors of your religion preaching and practising evil. There is no smoke without fire and if the word of your god is so open to misinterpretation and manipulation, such as you claim, then your god is a fucking moron.

[Rayaan]

Secondly, this BBC news report looks kind of misleading and deceptive ... they got a "Saudi investigator" whose face is hidden from the screen to translate and hoard the textbooks for the course, and then just showing pictures of hands and body parts and saying that the school is teaching children anti-semitism. I'm not really trusting all this information. If this is not a cooked up story, then why isn't there any British police to shut down the schools and arrest the people who are responsible for teaching the courses?

It was a conspiracy video just as I expected:

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iERA Responds to the “British Schools, Islamic Rules” Panorama Programme

London, 23rd November 2010

On the 22nd November 2010 the BBC aired a Panorama programme entitled “British Schools, Islamic Rules”. This programme aimed to investigate the “disturbing evidence” that some Muslim schools were providing a platform to “extremist preachers” and “fundamentalist Islamic groups”. The programme also attempted to “expose” the extreme, anti-Semitic and homophobic material found within the curriculum of some Islamic schools.

In short, the programme misrepresented established Islamic teachings on a range of issues in a manner that portrayed them as crude and insensitive whilst linking them to social unrest and violence.

In a statement by Saqib Sattar, Vice-Chairman of the Islamic Education and Research Academy (iERA), he said “The attack on Muslim schools as an institution is both ill-informed and misguided. Muslim schools constantly achieve high academic standards with students continuously becoming highly responsible members of society, contributing positively to the public good. No ‘hard’ evidence has ever been presented otherwise. Muslim Schools have excelled in this regard, due in no small part to their ethos which is rooted in the Islamic scholarly tradition which provides an objective and cohesive basis for social values and norms, something which we find lacking in our increasingly secular society. The irony is that most of our social ills stem from the failure of state schools and society at large to provide such grounding, leading ever more conscientious parents to choose private or faith schools for their children’s secondary education. Faith schools and communities are providing that important moral voice for our society, making their presence felt through social welfare projects across the country. The contribution of faith communities should actually be championed and not maligned.”

The BBC has shown that it does not have the ability to convey the reality of the Islamic tradition. iERA condemns such irresponsible and sensationalist programmes. It is obvious that this Panorama programme has been designed to attract viewers without engaging their minds.

Continued here: http://www.iera.org.uk/pdf/PRESS_RELEASE...gramme.pdf

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So long for John Ware's honesty in his witch hunt against the Muslims ...

As for the Saudi investigator who was "translating" the Quran - i.e. saying that "The Jews look like monkeys and pigs" - this is not what is written in the Quran, and you can ask this to anyone who knows Arabic. Rather, the verse only states that a cetain group of Jews were transformed into monkeys (and not pigs) because of their disobedience to God by breaking the Sabbath. So, from this we know that the verse is written in past tense. And it is not directed against all Jews, but only some Jews. And God did this to them for a specific reason (as mentioned in the Quran).

"And indeed you knew those amongst you who transgressed in the matter of the Sabbath, so We said to them: 'Be you monkeys, despised and rejected.'" (Surah 2:65)

They don't? Then why do so many Muslim clerics, Imams and elders support these horrible acts? Why don't we hear moderate Muslims condemning these terrorist activities which are carried out in the name of their religion? People like you want to tell us that the terrorists do NOT represent Islam, but you do nothing to speak out against them. Where are the Muslim leaders publicly condemning the terrorists?

Imams and Muslim leaders do speak out against terrorism. If you google the words "Islam and terrorism," you'll find plenty of articles which are against terrorism.

How about all that then Rayaan? More mis-interpretations no doubt?

They are misinterpretations indeed.
I posted a longer reply in the other thread since you made a separate topic for it.

Here: http://atheistforums.org/thread-5446.html

[downbeatplumb]

So long for John Ware's honesty in his witch hunt against the Muslims ...

I really thought for a second you meant me. (downbeatplumb is not my real name).

In case your wondering I do not work for panorama.

[Skipper]

Secondly, this BBC news report looks kind of misleading and deceptive ... they got a "Saudi investigator" whose face is hidden from the screen to translate and hoard the textbooks for the course, and then just showing pictures of hands and body parts and saying that the school is teaching children anti-semitism. I'm not really trusting all this information. If this is not a cooked up story, then why isn't there any British police to shut down the schools and arrest the people who are responsible for teaching the courses?

It was a conspiracy video just as I expected:

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iERA Responds to the “British Schools, Islamic Rules” Panorama Programme

London, 23rd November 2010

On the 22nd November 2010 the BBC aired a Panorama programme entitled “British Schools, Islamic Rules”. This programme aimed to investigate the “disturbing evidence” that some Muslim schools were providing a platform to “extremist preachers” and “fundamentalist Islamic groups”. The programme also attempted to “expose” the extreme, anti-Semitic and homophobic material found within the curriculum of some Islamic schools.

In short, the programme misrepresented established Islamic teachings on a range of issues in a manner that portrayed them as crude and insensitive whilst linking them to social unrest and violence.

In a statement by Saqib Sattar, Vice-Chairman of the Islamic Education and Research Academy (iERA), he said “The attack on Muslim schools as an institution is both ill-informed and misguided. Muslim schools constantly achieve high academic standards with students continuously becoming highly responsible members of society, contributing positively to the public good. No ‘hard’ evidence has ever been presented otherwise. Muslim Schools have excelled in this regard, due in no small part to their ethos which is rooted in the Islamic scholarly tradition which provides an objective and cohesive basis for social values and norms, something which we find lacking in our increasingly secular society. The irony is that most of our social ills stem from the failure of state schools and society at large to provide such grounding, leading ever more conscientious parents to choose private or faith schools for their children’s secondary education. Faith schools and communities are providing that important moral voice for our society, making their presence felt through social welfare projects across the country. The contribution of faith communities should actually be championed and not maligned.”

The BBC has shown that it does not have the ability to convey the reality of the Islamic tradition. iERA condemns such irresponsible and sensationalist programmes. It is obvious that this Panorama programme has been designed to attract viewers without engaging their minds.

Continued here: http://www.iera.org.uk/pdf/PRESS_RELEASE...gramme.pdf

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So long for John Ware's honesty in his witch hunt against the Muslims ...

As for the Saudi investigator who was "translating" the Quran - i.e. saying that "The Jews look like monkeys and pigs" - this is not what is written in the Quran, and you can ask this to anyone who knows Arabic. Rather, the verse only states that a cetain group of Jews were transformed into monkeys (and not pigs) because of their disobedience to God by breaking the Sabbath. So, from this we know that the verse is written in past tense. And it is not directed against all Jews, but only some Jews. And God did this to them for a specific reason (as mentioned in the Quran).

"And indeed you knew those amongst you who transgressed in the matter of the Sabbath, so We said to them: 'Be you monkeys, despised and rejected.'" (Surah 2:65)

They don't? Then why do so many Muslim clerics, Imams and elders support these horrible acts? Why don't we hear moderate Muslims condemning these terrorist activities which are carried out in the name of their religion? People like you want to tell us that the terrorists do NOT represent Islam, but you do nothing to speak out against them. Where are the Muslim leaders publicly condemning the terrorists?

Imams and Muslim leaders do speak out against terrorism. If you google the words "Islam and terrorism," you'll find plenty of articles which are against terrorism.

How about all that then Rayaan? More mis-interpretations no doubt?

They are misinterpretations indeed.
I posted a longer reply in the other thread since you made a separate topic for it.

Here: http://atheistforums.org/thread-5446.html

From the Islamic Education and Research acedemy?!?! I'll take the BBC over them for impartial views for some reason. Pfft

[Thor]

Imams and Muslim leaders do speak out against terrorism. If you google the words "Islam and terrorism," you'll find plenty of articles which are against terrorism.

Really? I've seen plenty of videos where Imams call for jihad and support terrorist activities. I haven't seen one video where a Muslim leader denounces terrorism. I've also seen many videos where Muslims take to the streets and call for the death of (fill in the blank). I haven't seen one instance where Muslims have taken to the streets and marched in protest of terrorists who commit atrocities in the name of Islam.

Muslims should be horrifed every time someone commits murder in the name of their religion. However, it is much more likely that they celebrate when an innocent person is beheaded on camera.

Maybe some people write articles condemning these atrocities, but this does not seem to represent a majority opinion.